Have you noticed how it always seems to be the team which lost the
shooot-out whose mananger believes practising penalties is pointless?
I have.
What are you talking about? i said there was no harm in practising. A penalty kick is a lot more pressurised than taking a corner, free etc. Thought you'd have the cop on to understand my point. Obviously over estimated yaOriginally Posted by tricky_colour
I dont remeber fergie sayin that.or england bosses now that i think of it
Last edited by jimbob117; 24/05/2005 at 7:06 PM.
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/...story53269.asp
Maybe this will refresh your memory!!
"The Arsenal goalkeeper revealed that the players were even imitating the walk from the centre circle to the penalty spot to put them in the best frame of mind possible for such a scenario arising.
It is in sharp contrast to the attitude displayed towards spot-kicks by then England coach Glenn Hoddle during the 1998 World Cup when his side lost on penalties to Argentina in the second round.
Hoddle has since claimed that ‘‘practising (penalties) until kingdom come isn’t necessarily the answer. In fact, it might just make matters worse‘‘.
Penalties will decide deadlocked matches after extra-time from the second round onwards and England have a sorry record in shoot-outs.
They lost the semi-finals of the 1990 World Cup and the 1996 European Championships on penalties plus that meeting with the Argentinians in St Etienne during France 98."
Didnt realise Hoddle didnt practise them, but Keegan and as far as i remember, Robson did, as does sven.
http://worldcup.espnsoccernet.com/pr...=48885&lang=en
"However, although the game could be close, Voeller claims the Germans have not been practising penalties.
In the past Germany's diligence in practising from the spot has paid off handsomely, such as during Italia `90 and Euro `96, but Voeller claims he is focused on winning during playing time."
Practising penalties a load of old 'garbage' - McCarthy
Monday June 17th 2002
http://www.unison.ie/features/worldc...=236&si=775319
"THE discipline of practising penalties is "garbage" according to Irish manager Mick McCarthy, who watched his side crash out of the World Cup finals after missing FOUR spot-kicks.
"Practising penalties is garbage," he said in the aftermath of a dramatic 3-2 spot-kick defeat after the fighting Irish held Spain 1-1 in a pulsating second round tie in Suwon.
"We practised taking penalties two nights before, but it's about standing up and taking one if you fancy it on the night.""
OK he said they did some practise, but with his attitude to it it probably
was a waste of time, maybe if the kit had turned up on time they might have been able to do some thorough practise!!
http://www.footballconference.co.uk/news/481.html
"We've been practising penalties for two weeks," he added. "That was our reward
http://www.soccernet.com/euro2000/co...eatnorman.html
"This notion that there is no way of preparing to take a penalty was the most doolally (no minor achievement) ever expressed by Keegan's predecessor, whose players did not practise from 12 yards because 'you can't replicate the pressure'. But nothing increases fear and therefore pressure like unfamiliarity, and with a couple of hours acclimatising himself to the experience behind him, who is to say that David Batty wouldn't have tucked his France 98 kick into the corner?
"
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/...hybrid&t=10602
Ireland go out on penalties. Was Roy Keane right all along? (Allsport)
No, these are lessons of arrogance, ignorance, sheer bloody mindedness and, above all, how to handle yourself with dignity in defeat.
Let's start with the Irish.
When deposed skipper Roy Keane told Mick McCarthy the side should practice penalties ahead of a possible shoot-out later in the competition, the Ireland boss said there was 'no need' at that stage as he had every confidence his players 'would hit the target'.
Granted, McCarthy's men finally got around to practising penalties a few days before their second round clash with Spain.
However, by missing four of the seven spot-kicks in the defeat, it was quite clear they should have started practising earlier.
Even under such intense pressure, there is no excuse for some of the most feeble spot-kicks I've ever seen!
So, for all his critics, Keane's own verdict has ultimately proved spot-on as his words have come back to haunt the Irish"
http://www.liverpool-mad.co.uk/news/...TMNW&id=222739
Liverpool's players will not be practising penalties as part of their preperations for Wednesday's European Cup final.
"If the game with AC Milan is all square after extra-time it will be decided on penalties but Rafa Benitez believes that practising for a penalty shoot-out is a pointless exercise.
"I don't believe in practising penalties," he said. "In my opinion, the most important factor is how you feel on the day, not if you look good taking a penalty in training.
"You can look the best in practise, but then when you're in front of all the people inside the stadium, you may get afraid.
"I don't go into a game like this thinking it's going to go to penalties. I only think about winning the match. Maybe if we get to extra time, then I'll consider who takes penalties." "
Wow!! What information is he going to base his decision on? Names out of a hat?
Might be a bit of kidology.
I guess it's a bit lilke practising getting yourself sacked, it's never the same as the real thing
Oh and if you want to recreate the pressure a £10,000 fine for every one
missed works wonders.
I suppose you'd know more than benitez. I mean it looks like you spent the last 3 hours scouring the web for teams who lost penalty shoot outs who had said prevoiusly they werent worth practicing. Im sure u could do the same and empahisise teams that did practice who lost against teams that didnt but quite frankly, i amnt arsed. My opinion remains the same, worth a practise but those who can handle the pressure will decide who scores, end of story
Wow!! What information is he going to base his decision on? Names out of a hat?
Might be a bit of kidology.
I guess it's a bit lilke practising getting yourself sacked, it's never the same as the real thing
I just put up the first few links which came from "practising penalties" thats
all, it didnt seem to show many/any where a team didn't practise penalties
and won although I am sure that does happen.
And how do you know who can handle the pressure if you don't find out in practise? Footballers abilites don't necessarilly match their confidence.
You are entitled to you opinion of course, but I like back mine up with some evidence.
my evidence is my own experience!!!
Evidently!
The only Irish player I can remember missing a peno, apart from Harte in Korea, was, yes you've guessed it, Roy Keane against Romania.
Penalties are clearly worth practising. There's no harm whatsoever in practising how to place it from the spot, how to keep it down, place it high, what to see in the goalkeeper, basics like that.
I don't see how there's any science to it, though. A player can practice for a month on how to place it perfectly in the bottom right corner. He's confident, he's played a great game, and he's not going to bottle it now. He walks up in the right frame of mind, looks at the goalkeeper, places the ball on the spot and does everything right. Then the keeper saves it because he guesses right.
Remember Mendieta's penalty against us? That was a shocking penalty, which was mis-hit. Given was inches from saving it. If he he dived a split second later, would he have saved it? Pure luck got Mendieta's penalty, not practice.
Remember Cascarino's penalty against Romania? If he'd been practising penalties, it didn't show as he scuffed the turf when he hit it and it went in under Lung's body. A bit of luck and nerve got him through.
Practice away, no harm in it, a lot of benefits to it, but it's not an absolute science, surely.
I think I remember that as I was thereAs you well know I was talking about other than in peno shoot outs.
I agree that it is nonsense not to practice penos. Then why bother practicising free kicks or anything either since they are all different in the hot house pressure of a game ?
I don't think anyone suggested not practising penalties. Jimbob suggested that nerve had as much to do with it as practice and that practising free-kicks is very, very different from practising penalties in terms of the end result.I think I remember that as I was there
I agree that it is nonsense not to practice penos. Then why bother practicising free kicks or anything either since they are all different in the hot house pressure of a game ?
If you don't practice free-kicks at all, you've got no structure at all during a deadball situation. It's not guaranteed that you're going to score or miss but it's guaranteed that your players will be where they were on the training ground. Penalties are obviously different in this regard. You can practice your kick all night but a million things can go wrong with a direct consequence - you miss. Ian Harte - acknowledge by all here, even those who think he's brutal (such as myself), to be top class at a deadball - missed his penalty miserably against Spain. His confidence was shot, he was playing terribly, he was up against Casillas. I'm sure he practices all the time on dead ball situations. What happened him there, you know?
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