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    Are you saying he's a better striker than the fella who scored 20 goals in a season?

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    Have to question the players mentality, definitely not the right move. Safe to say his Preston career is over and his ireland career in serious doubt after this. Preston will surely see a league 1 team as a higher standard than what rovers are playing and the players choice to go home says it all about his mental strength

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    Bit of jumping to conclusions there. Maybe there was simply no other offers.

    Either way, it's another blow for the league that another top player has gone to England and failed to make any real impact. And each time it happens, the next transfer fee is going to be that little bit lower, you'd imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzkill View Post
    Have to question the players mentality, definitely not the right move. Safe to say his Preston career is over and his ireland career in serious doubt after this. Preston will surely see a league 1 team as a higher standard than what rovers are playing and the players choice to go home says it all about his mental strength
    Eh no you don't... It says **** all about his mental strength. He had a choice between going league one and playing hoof ball which doesn't suit him at all or going to a club he knows plays good ball and showing exactly what he can do and hope that impresses Preston or someone who will keep the ball on the ground. More players should come back to Ireland rather than drop down the league if they're a technical footballer.

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    Are you saying he's a better striker than the fella who scored 20 goals in a season?
    At playing football yes. At scoring goals it's debatable. Tom Eaves is a 6'5 centre forward and I'll let you fill in the rest never really scored anywhere other than Gillingham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    At playing football yes. At scoring goals it's debatable. Tom Eaves is a 6'5 centre forward and I'll let you fill in the rest never really scored anywhere other than Gillingham.
    But Burke has never scored anywhere other than Rovers, in a mostly part-time league.

    I don't understand this argument that Burke failed because the league wasn't good enough. It doesn't make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Are you saying he's a better striker than the fella who scored 20 goals in a season?
    No, that they were two different players playing two very different games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    But Burke has never scored anywhere other than Rovers, in a mostly part-time league.

    I don't understand this argument that Burke failed because the league wasn't good enough. It doesn't make any sense.
    Burke didn't, and won't thrive in a league where the ball spends as much time in the air as on the ground. He's a player that wants the ball into feet with other players that want the same around him. That's his style of play, he's not a target man, a pacy winger or a ball winning midfielder and that's what you need in the positions he can play in league 1&2 the way most teams play.

    League one and two are still very much hit it long to the big man to knock down for the small pacy man or get it wide to cross into the big man and for technical players they're never going to thrive in that environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathfarnham Hoop
    Burke didn't, and won't thrive in a league where the ball spends as much time in the air as on the ground. He's a player that wants the ball into feet with other players that want the same around him. That's his style of play, he's not a target man, a pacy winger or a ball winning midfielder and that's what you need in the positions he can play in league 1&2 the way most teams play.

    League one and two are still very much hit it long to the big man to knock down for the small pacy man or get it wide to cross into the big man and for technical players they're never going to thrive in that environment.
    But if he can't actually make it in that league, then clearly you can play the ball on the ground as much as you like, but it's a less effective style of play than the more physical way, and so it must stand to reason that Burke isn't as a good a player as Eaves, who scored 22 goals in the same team?

    He can be better technically than Eaves, but it's worth **** all if he can't put the ball in the back of the net like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    But if he can't actually make it in that league, then clearly you can play the ball on the ground as much as you like, but it's a less effective style of play than the more physical way, and so it must stand to reason that Burke isn't as a good a player as Eaves, who scored 22 goals in the same team?

    He can be better technically than Eaves, but it's worth **** all if he can't put the ball in the back of the net like.
    It's not more effective, it's just the classic lower league problem of they don't have enough players to do it, start the season trying to play football anyway, lose a few games and revert to hoof ball.
    Jack Byrne explained it pretty well on LOI weekly a while back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    But if he can't actually make it in that league, then clearly you can play the ball on the ground as much as you like, but it's a less effective style of play than the more physical way, and so it must stand to reason that Burke isn't as a good a player as Eaves, who scored 22 goals in the same team?

    He can be better technically than Eaves, but it's worth **** all if he can't put the ball in the back of the net like.
    If you're a much better player technically, why would you want to play with teams like that. He'd have a great assists tally if he hoofed corners and free kicks to him. He could then move to Wycombe and do the same to Akinfenwa.

    It would be an incredible waste of talent.
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    Or maybe he just wasn’t good enough ? Short term success at Shams hardly makes him a world beaters. Maybe he just realized his level.

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    If Preston sign you,your career maybe about to hit the skids!!
    S'pose when they're getting players from here for next to nothing and so risk free but jaysus they'll suck any confidence you ever had right out off you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzkill View Post
    Have to question the players mentality, definitely not the right move. Safe to say his Preston career is over and his ireland career in serious doubt after this.
    I agree and would apply this to Kevin O'Connor too who apparently hasn't been up to much with City.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfx- View Post
    If you're a much better player technically, why would you want to play with teams like that. He'd have a great assists tally if he hoofed corners and free kicks to him. He could then move to Wycombe and do the same to Akinfenwa.

    It would be an incredible waste of talent.
    Well he can play here and play nice technical stuff against part-time teams. Or he can move up to the next level.

    No skin off my nose either way of course; best of luck to the guy whichever he chooses

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Well he can play here and play nice technical stuff against part-time teams. Or he can move up to the next level.

    No skin off my nose either way of course; best of luck to the guy whichever he chooses
    You're not getting the point. First off It's league one it's not the next level. And secondly it's not about being able to do it against the quality of opposition, its about getting the opportunity to do it. Gillingham truly play an awful style of football (I've family from an area in England with a league 1 team so watch it a lot) passing the ball less than 20 yards just isn't a concept they've heard of. I don't know what your job is but imagine being hired for a job because of some degree you have let's use computer science for an example and you have experience as a software engineer, then every day just getting asked to install all the pre installed software on new laptops, that's not the skill set you were hired based on so of course you're not going to do that job again if given the option.

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    Hold on - League One in England is a better level than the LoI in every way. Facilities, supporter base, TV exposure, budgets, strength in depth - everything. Every League One club had a bigger average attendance last season than Rovers, just to give one little example of that. And we can guarantee that every one of them gets more TV money seeing as the LoI gets bugger all in that regard.

    So it makes no sense to argue that despite all these really evident advantages, that League One is somehow not a better league than the LoI.

    The bottom line is that for all Burke's lovely technical ability, he scored once and the other guy scored 22. In the end of the day, the job he's being hired to do is score goals to help his team win - and he's clearly not up to it. Style of play is nowhere in his job description. If everything went on playing lovely football, UCD would be in the European spots each year and Pats would be relegated. But that's not how it works out in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Hold on - League One in England is a better level than the LoI in every way. Facilities, supporter base, TV exposure, budgets, strength in depth - everything. Every League One club had a bigger average attendance last season than Rovers, just to give one little example of that. And we can guarantee that every one of them gets more TV money seeing as the LoI gets bugger all in that regard.

    So it makes no sense to argue that despite all these really evident advantages, that League One is somehow not a better league than the LoI.

    The bottom line is that for all Burke's lovely technical ability, he scored once and the other guy scored 22. In the end of the day, the job he's being hired to do is score goals to help his team win - and he's clearly not up to it. Style of play is nowhere in his job description. If everything went on playing lovely football, UCD would be in the European spots each year and Pats would be relegated. But that's not how it works out in reality.
    You really just don't want to get it do you? No point trying to explain it any more.

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    Good point well made there.

    Bottom line is Burke - like Hoban and Towell and Boyle - has returned to the league because he wasn't good enough to make it in England. And not for the first time either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    You really just don't want to get it do you? No point trying to explain it any more.
    I've read the back and forth here and I don't get what you're trying to say either. What I'm getting from it is that Burke is technically too good for League 1 and 2 and teams in these leagues do not play to his strengths because it's all hoof-ball? Which for me is a massive generalisation.

    But I think it's fair to say that he is not good enough for the Championship, otherwise another club would have identified his technical ability and made a move, no?

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    Why don't some of the Irish players try Holland /Portugal/Belgium ?
    The obsession with England is understandable but as the money in England gets bigger and bigger the chances of Irish players making it are getting smaller and smaller.
    The premier league is now effectively a world league drawing players from all over the world and the Championship is increasingly hard to crack as well

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