have Shels been docked three points for ...

**Bald Student** · 14/04/2005, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

I dont think you seem to realise that Ollie (although to Shels advantage) is actually doing the Eircom League a favour in calling for the league to stick to the rules that are voted in by the clubs at the start of the season.

He only does that when it's to Shels' advantage. For example, when the league's rules called for Shels to pay a 20,000 euro transfer fee to UCD, Ollie went in and out of the high court to try to avoid paying it.

**A face** · 14/04/2005, 1:35 PM

Seriously though ..... what is happening to Eddie Collins over this ??

Does anyone know ?? ....... surely he wont get away with it scott free ??

I mean ... if it is the case .... then things would be really starting off on the wrong foot, might as well tear up the rule book now. It is as if the league are telling people they can break the rules ..... is that the case now ??

**pete** · 14/04/2005, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

Ollie went in and out of the high court to try to avoid paying it.

Don't UEFA or FIFA have a rule that says clubs cannot go to Court when disputes arise? I think all disputes are supposed to be resolved within the football authorities. I don't think we often see english clubs going to court over disputes with the Premier League or FA?

**Schumi** · 14/04/2005, 2:10 PM

I think the case was actually taken by Cawley himself rather than Shels.

**Bald Student** · 14/04/2005, 2:19 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Don't UEFA or FIFA have a rule that says clubs cannot go to Court when disputes arise?

They do but it contradicts Irish law so it's ignored here.

That's enough of the off topic though. Has anyone found out yet what the punishment for fielding an inelligable coach is?

**TonyD** · 14/04/2005, 8:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

They do but it contradicts Irish law so it's ignored here.

That's enough of the off topic though. Has anyone found out yet what the punishment for fielding an inelligable coach is?

Don't you mean an illegible coach ? (Copyright Shelsman)

Good question though.

**Slash/ED** · 14/04/2005, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Lads, it is a non issue really ... there aint much Shels can do about this one, if the rules are adhered to then they lose three points, simple as. Ollie can throw a hissie fit all he wants, it will just prolong it.

What rule would that be that says having a suspended coach = a 3 point deduction in a game we got 1 point in

**MariborKev** · 14/04/2005, 9:48 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

What rule would that be that says having a suspended coach = a 3 point deduction in a game we got 1 point in

Unbelievable logic that

You should only be deducted points for breaking the rules when you win the game

**Slash/ED** · 14/04/2005, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by Maribor

Unbelievable logic that

You should only be deducted points for breaking the rules when you win the game

Learn to read, or stop talking funny substances that has you seing things that aren't there.

**pineapple stu** · 14/04/2005, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Learn to read, or stop talking funny substances that has you seing things that aren't there.

Think he's right Slash - the result you got has nothing to do with how many points can be deducted. Pat's drew in Belfield a couple of years ago with Mbabazi in their team and were docked thre points because he wasn't registered.

However, you're right that no-one has turned up any evidence of a rule saying a three point deduction is the punishment in this case.

**Slash/ED** · 14/04/2005, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Think he's right Slash - the result you got has nothing to do with how many points can be deducted. Pat's drew in Belfield a couple of years ago with Mbabazi in their team and were docked thre points because he wasn't registered.

I didn't realise that, it seems strange to me, I would have thought the logical thing to do if you're deducting points would be to declare the match a win to the other team, so the point gained is lost and, in both cases, UCD get an extra two.

**town73** · 15/04/2005, 4:41 PM

Shels were fined �200 for allowing Eamonn Collins to be on the technical bench while under suspension against UCD. He is also suspended for one domestic competitive match. In case there's any doubt, he has to remain at least 50 metres away from the technical area. This takes effect from Thursday April 14.

**Slash/ED** · 15/04/2005, 4:46 PM

Shambles, if it was Cork they'd have docked them 400 points, booted them out of the league and bulldozed Turners Cross.

**A face** · 15/04/2005, 6:46 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Shambles, if it was Cork they'd have docked them 400 points, booted them out of the league and bulldozed Turners Cross.

Just aswell we dont break the rules so !!

**pineapple stu** · 16/04/2005, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by town73

Shels were fined �200 for allowing Eamonn Collins to be on the technical bench while under suspension against UCD. He is also suspended for one domestic competitive match. In case there's any doubt, he has to remain at least 50 metres away from the technical area. This takes effect from Thursday April 14.

Where'd you see that? The last news item in the eL section on the FAI alleged website hasn't been updated in two weeks...

**Anto McC** · 16/04/2005, 5:46 PM

Shels broke the rules and should be punished,no matter what the punishment is no Shels fan on this thread has denied that.The problem that neither the F.A.I. or there officials know what the rules are and lets be honest it a bit much to expect them to make up rules and then enforce them when they have a schedule like they have arranging international friendlys over the phone and eh.....that other stuff they do i mean they are only the football association.

**pete** · 17/04/2005, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by town73

Shels were fined �200 for allowing Eamonn Collins to be on the technical bench while under suspension against UCD. He is also suspended for one domestic competitive match. In case there's any doubt, he has to remain at least 50 metres away from the technical area. This takes effect from Thursday April 14.

Disgraceful decision.

So Collins gets no extra ban, just serves his original one with measly �200 fine.
This no sets a precedent for other clubs - when you have big game coming up can ignore the touchline ban, pay small fine & serve ban at later stage.

**Anto McC** · 17/04/2005, 12:50 PM

The same punishment would have happened to anyone Dave Hill,Gary Howlett or Terry Evison it just so happened to Eamonn Collins and had it happened to anyone else no shels fans would be on here saying it's a disgrace because we expect no better of the F.A.I. and neither should you.They are the joke .

**CollegeTillIDie** · 17/04/2005, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

I didn't realise that, it seems strange to me, I would have thought the logical thing to do if you're deducting points would be to declare the match a win to the other team, so the point gained is lost and, in both cases, UCD get an extra two.

Cork played 3 bangers in Belfield in 1996 having beaten us 1-0. Cork were deducted points and I think fined. We got nothing out of it and the result stood in Goals For and Goals Against. So we ended up -1 goals regardless.