have Shels been docked three points for ...

**A face** · 24/03/2005, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by thecorner

of course u do

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thecorner · 24/03/2005, 12:17 PM

this fella that broke the rules...whats his name again????

well anyway...him....his club broke the rules, he is part of that club and its the club that should be punished....

**A face** · 24/03/2005, 12:24 PM

Lads, it is a non issue really ... there aint much Shels can do about this one, if the rules are adhered to then they lose three points, simple as. Ollie can throw a hissie fit all he wants, it will just prolong it.

**fosterdollar** · 24/03/2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Shelsman

they fielded two illegible players

eh, you should have gone to Specsavers...

**Shelsman** · 24/03/2005, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Magoo

eh, you should have gone to Specsavers...

Didn't really want to call them illegitimate ..........

**fosterdollar** · 24/03/2005, 12:38 PM

You could have done. Just make sure you say 'illegibly' (they are) to avoid any reper-ma-cushions.

**Gareth** · 24/03/2005, 1:16 PM

See, I posted that we should accept the punishment we get and I am called a fool. wws , read the post. I said we should accept what comes our way but your blind overeagerness to post how much you hate shels clearly hindered your ability to read properly.

I personally couldnt care less what went before, if the rule states it we accpet it. Simple as that.

**wws** · 24/03/2005, 1:18 PM

thats a non denial denial

**A face** · 24/03/2005, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by wws

thats a non denial denial

I think that warrants another three points being docked !!

**Gareth** · 24/03/2005, 1:25 PM

Well I have no more to say

Btw you wws, your in the majority, no one can post on the shels board at the moment.

**�anna** · 24/03/2005, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

If it was any other tea, ye'd be fine with a fine.

If it was "any other team" ollie byrne would be all over the papers demanding they be docked points, excommunicated, deported, flogged etc

The reason people are so keen to see Shels punished, is because shels have always been keen to see others punished. What goes around, comes around.

I for one am against the idea of points being deducted for footballing matters. I was against it when Pats had points deducted, I'm still against it now. But shels have been asking for this. If you're going to take the moral high ground, you should make sure not too step in a pile of sh�t on the way up

**Gareth** · 24/03/2005, 2:00 PM

Well I can take any stance I like, as despite my footballing loyalties, I also have opinions and they can differ from club stances. I stand by the case that if a rule is broken, the stated punishment should be exercised. No middle ground. Pats broke a rule, they got punished. Athlone broke a rule, they were punished based on the punishment for breaking that rule, so now Shels broke a rule. We simply need to find out what that punishment is. If its a points deduction, fair enough. Christ, you all talk of rulebooks and how we seem to break it when we are merely stating we should FOLLOW the damn thing, no matter it be flawed, its still the rulebook. Stop hiding behind teh fact you hate Ollie so much and face it, rules were borken, punsihment was given. If other clubs have not got punished for the same offences its not our fault, its the fault of teh enforcers of the rules.

Does anyone realise I AGREE with a punishment based on the rulebooks assessment.

**�anna** · 24/03/2005, 2:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Stop hiding behind teh fact you hate Ollie so much and face it, rules were borken, punsihment was given. If other clubs have not got punished for the same offences its not our fault, its the fault of teh enforcers of the rules.

Thats fair enough, I'm not going to deny that I hate Ollie at all. What annoys me is the way that Shelbourne FC, or its representatives, seem to go on a crusade against other clubs over these things- they can't realy blame people for reacting like this

Originally Posted by Gareth

Does anyone realise I AGREE with a punishment based on the rulebooks assessment.

Yes.

**wws** · 24/03/2005, 2:04 PM

right ok
ok

gareths one of us

he's on the side of LAW AND ORDER (suv)

hoooooray

now lets get down to business.....

the punishment - as I see it there are only three choices open

if we follow the Koran we can chop off his hand (probably)
The bible - eye for an eye
and the "rulebook" copyright ollie byrnes da
we'll give him a slap on the wrist and dock UCD points for causing this mess!

**tiktok** · 24/03/2005, 3:32 PM

It's stupid to dock them points but Collins should be banned from the toughline for a long time to come, measured in months as opposed to games and the club should be fined.

**higgins** · 24/03/2005, 9:22 PM

Does anyone know what the rule is???

I doubt it.....

Calling for this that and the other on the basis of previous broken rules wont get you anywhere. If the rule stats you should be docked 50 points then Id be 100% behind shels being docked 50points.

I dont think you seem to realise that Ollie (although to Shels advantage) is actually doing the Eircom League a favour in calling for the league to stick to the rules that are voted in by the clubs at the start of the season.

Of course its shels he has in mind but the whole league ecends into a farce when rules are not followed. Many a good thing has come from Ollies pressure to follow rules. Despite what you think of the man it has brought the league a little bit more structure.

Back to the Collins debate!!
First find out what the punishment is and then call for it to be enforced exactly like Ollie has done.

Im fully behind implementing rules so whatever it is lets do it and get on with it.

thecorner · 24/03/2005, 9:50 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

I dont think you seem to realise that Ollie (although to Shels advantage) is actually doing the Eircom League a favour in calling for the league to stick to the rules that are voted in by the clubs at the start of the season.

lets see his take on this one then

**higgins** · 24/03/2005, 10:10 PM

What does that mean?
You hardly expect him to be out calling for shels to be punished

I'd worry more about the people involved in your own clubs and the fact they are prepared to sit back and see the rule book thrown out the window when decisions are made.

If the rule says you are docked 3 points and the punishment is just a fine I'd expect other clubs to speak out against it and see that the rule book is followed.

Maybe one of you should put the effort it takes to post about this issue into actually finding out what the rule is ?

**bluemovie** · 14/04/2005, 10:37 AM

Am I missing something? I found a paper yesterday with the reports from the final day of last season. After Bracken was sent off for Bohs v Cork, referee Ian Stokes sent Gareth Farrelly (who wasn't playing, but was on the bench in a managerial capacity) off for dissent. Was this rescinded or something because Farrelly hasn't served a suspension? He played in the first game of the season v Rovers when Ian Stokes was again the referee.

**tomsoc** · 14/04/2005, 11:06 AM

It's not always automatic in the eL that club officials sent off receive a ban (or any punishment). Pat Fenlon has been sent off more than once without receiving any punishment. I'm almost sure the same happened when Stephen Kenny and Pat Dolan were sent to the stands in previous seasons.