QuoteI'd say if we got a win against Israel (big if) and china. We could move up to 10th.
How are England 8th ? I dont think the ratings are that accurate
From fıfa.com:
1 Brazil
2 France
3 Argentina
4 Czech Republic
5 Spain
6 Mexico
7 Netherlands
8 England
9 Portugal
10 Italy
10 USA
12 Republic of Ireland
13 Sweden
14 Greece
15 Turkey
15 Uruguay
17 Denmark
18 Germany
18 Japan
20 Iran
We're unbeaten against every team we've playing in the top 10 over the last year - Brazil, France, Czech Republic, Netherlands and Portugal.
And playing Italy in August.
Only team in the top 20 to beat us in the last 4 years is Iran!
I'd say if we got a win against Israel (big if) and china. We could move up to 10th.
How are England 8th ? I dont think the ratings are that accurate
Don't you mean when wen get a win against Isreal and ChinaOriginally Posted by thejollyrodger
The rates are calculated a bit dodgy alright but its the best way possible to rate teams..
Sure the US are ahead of us...
How is usa above ireland
Ah, but thats because they beat teams like Honduras, and Panama on a regular basis.
Ya I know that.. I think the points should be weighted more at the level of your opponent..
The USA always get mentioned. They play a load more matches than us and its not just against the weaker nations. They always do well in the Gold Cup. If the US only beat a weak nation 1-0 they'd lose a load of points. The fifa rankings have a great weighting system but they shouldn't take friendlies into consideration.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 23/03/2005 at 4:17 PM.
Competitive games (i.e. qualifiers and world cup/euro championship) games are weighted much higher than friendlies, despite the opposition. England are unbeaten in their group and have only lost 3 competitive games under Sven.
just for the record israel is ranked 52
Just 3 begind the Swiss on 49, and look at the problems they gave us!!
The formula is extremely complicated. I also think it doesn't matter how many times you play some sort of mean is worked out. It's as good as you can get but obviously it still can't account for disparities in the quality of the continents. We're a good 20 or so points off 10th so I don't think we'll make it into the top 10 too handy. We lost 1 point last month however that works out.
Dont agree with that really. They managed to put 5 extra points to there total by beating Honduras (who?) Colombia in a friendly ( they're crap), Trinidad and Tobago (real sleeping giant there), drawing with Jamaica (eh mon!!), and the mighty El Salvador. But thats their last 5 games going back to October. So the first two games on that list, at most managed to put 5 points to their total - somehow.
World Cup quarter-finallists, anyone?
Don't agree that Colombia are crap. Their last few qualifiers have been decent results, Bolivia (h) 1-0, Brazil (a) 0-0, Paraguay (h) 1-1, Chile (a) 0-0, Uruguay (h) 5-0.Dont agree with that really. They managed to put 5 extra points to there total by beating Honduras (who?) Colombia in a friendly ( they're crap), Trinidad and Tobago (real sleeping giant there
The US beat these 3-0 aswell as their 1-0 win over Hondurus (who are up there with Switzerland and Israel in the rankings). When we beat Holland, Jamaica and Romania and lost 3-0 to Nigeria we gained more than 5 points I remember.
Our home record is too good to be getting a load of points for a 1-0 win. All results over a period of a few years are taken into account anyway so if we beat someone on February 2/4 years ago that result is lost now.
Greece are the European Champions and are below us - and we didn't even qualify. My point is - that a 1/4 final finish in the world cup shouldn't be enough to continue an almost unbroken stint in the top ten, when winning the euro championship didn't even get Greece into the top ten (they got as high as 13th I think).
Also the US consistently beats the crap out of Mexico... poor Mexico, a soccer crazy nation getting beaten by a nation that has no interest... it a worse situation then the england cricketers...
Was it not a draw the last time they met?Also the US consistently beats the crap out of Mexico... poor Mexico, a soccer crazy nation getting beaten by a nation that has no interest... it a worse situation then the england cricketers...
The US has not lost in 16 matches(competitive and friendlies) since they last 1-0 to Holland in a friendly. The US has not lost in 31 games against a Concacaf rival since losing in Costa Rica in 2001. As Dancinpants said, they gained 5 points since October, but you have to remember that the US won 1 and drew 1 World Cup qualifiers so how do you not get more points? (plus the 1 draw with the reggae boys was after they had already qualified for the final Concacaf Qualification Round). As for the friendlies, I really think they don't count that much in the rankings. Sure the US beat Columbia and Honduras in the last 10 days or so, but those US teams were 100% made up of MLS players who are not even in season yet.
As for Mexico, in 8 games since 2000, Mexico has scored only 1 goal against the US (their 1-0 win at the Azteca in 2001) with the US winning 6, drawing and losing 1. If the US beats El Tri on Sunday at the Azteca, they will be without question the best team from Concacaf. Mexico have gotten better since the last World Cup with some nice young players coming through but the US have improved a lot too.
btw dancinpants, the last game was last summer with the US winning 1-0 off an Eddie Pope goal.
Last edited by Metrostars; 23/03/2005 at 8:17 PM.
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
True. My point was more that people tend to forget that the US did get further than us in the last World Cup (and the one before that, though I don't think that counts for the rankings any more) and that they're not a bad side at all these days.
I don't understand why the Netherlands are ranked so high, especially how they go above Portugal. Holland got just as far as Portugal in 2000, the Dutch weren't at the 2002 World Cup (while Portugal was.. briefly) and they were knocked out by Portugal in 2004.
Go figure.
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