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    Quote Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve View Post
    Behan was a very decent striker, that goal in the Brandywell for Cork from 30-40 yards out. He just sort of disappeared though it seems.
    We sold him to Hartlepool, he came back and played for Limerick for two seasons, or parts of two seasons perhaps. Joined us in 2013 for about half a season I think and then left the professional game. Think hes coaching/playing for Carrigaline these days. He has let himself go since leaving pro football. That or the yellow jersey is just unflattering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke View Post
    As they are mentioned, in 1984, a year before Newcastle West joined LOI in '85 Newcastle Rovers were formed and the two clubs have been big Desmond League rivals since NC West dropped out of LOI and back into DL in 1990. They amalgamated underage last year, a new club called Newcastle West Town FC came into being. They already have an U15 FAI Cup South West win in their first year, the first DL club to win a regional competition. This coming DL season, the clubs will fully amalgamate and the town will put one junior side out. It's very possible this club will have a lot of their own way at DL level.

    The town now has a population of around 6,600. The urban area has passed well beyond the old town boundaries which are due for redefinition.

    The old LOI ground is a lot more developed than it was in the LOI days, a much better facility although obviously probably still short of national league current standards.

    Also current LOI players Liam McCartan (Wexford Youths) Killian Brouder (Limerick FC) Gary Shanahan (Galway) are all ex NCW AFC players. In addition to this, Paudie O'Connor (Leeds Utd via Limerick FC) Anthony Forde (Rotherham United) & John McGrath (ex Villa / Doncaster / Burton and Ireland U21s) are all ex DL players from very nearby.

    So,here you have a club founded in 1948 originally with good tradition and real presence in the area, an area which produces players of a capable standard clearly, and who also have previous in the LOI. You also have a good underage set up and a forward thinking amalgamation for the good of the game in the town as they combine their facilities, infrastructure and efforts.


    Is the potential here for a LOI Div 1 club ? Absolutely, yes in my opinion.

    What do you not have ? A staged pathway to that goal, or the remotest motivation for those at the club to put the club under that financial pressure just to have the status of 'LOI'

    What do you also not have ? A governing body who will address the two above issues.
    Newcastle United/West attracted pitiful crowds, won nothing and lasted only 5 seasons in the First Division. In those 5 years, their highest placed finish was 6th in a 10 team league. They were the first of the expanded league's clubs to drop out.

    What makes you think things would be so different if they joined up again ? Especially given that it costs significantly more to run an LOI team now than it did back then ?

    Also - nowhere with a population even vaguely in the ball park of 6,600 people should be deemed suitable for a new LOI club IMO. Football is a primarily urban sport, and increasingly expensive one every season that goes by thanks to UEFA participation funding. You may as well ask Newcastle West to make a high pile of Euros, light it and dance around it as a distraction from running their current set up, as ask them to consider rejoining the LOI. It didn't work for them before, and I'm pretty damn sure it would have even less chance of working for them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    Newcastle United/West attracted pitiful crowds, won nothing and lasted only 5 seasons in the First Division. In those 5 years, their highest placed finish was 6th in a 10 team league. They were the first of the expanded league's clubs to drop out.

    What makes you think things would be so different if they joined up again ? Especially given that it costs significantly more to run an LOI team now than it did back then ?

    Also - nowhere with a population even vaguely in the ball park of 6,600 people should be deemed suitable for a new LOI club IMO. Football is a primarily urban sport, and increasingly expensive one every season that goes by thanks to UEFA participation funding. You may as well ask Newcastle West to make a high pile of Euros, light it and dance around it as a distraction from running their current set up, as ask them to consider rejoining the LOI. It didn't work for them before, and I'm pretty damn sure it would have even less chance of working for them now.
    I think you have missed my point, in that I broadly agree it almost certainly won't happen and would struggle in the present way of doing things financially, that was the final and underlying part of my original post.

    Where have i said it would be different ? I simply haven't said that.
    I merely added it to the conversation, referencing some of the possible criteria from earlier posts in the thread, particularly suggestions of clubs in new areas just because population numbers or geographically, they tick a box.

    I know they attracted pitiful crowds, I was there most weeks. I also spoke recently with those involved at the time, and there is full awareness of how steep this hill would be and no intention of trying the climb at all.

    What I did offer, to the conversation, was an area clearly producing the talent, with decent roots in the game, and if the FAI truly did want the league to develop talent for the national side they would act helpfully if the club expressed an interest. They won't & they wont.

    As for what has changed, well the token local in the LOI eleven was an issue, the 'A' side and Rovers sides were all local in the DL and that told. So you would these days have players being produced of an LOI standard locally, (because they are coming through and moving on) that would help re attendances and finances through the gate ( nowhere near enough probably but that's hardly news anywhere across the league )

    But to say I have come on here somehow advocating this is wide of the mark, maybe its more protein you need rather than greens as that promotes brain function and understanding of information taken in

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Pietro View Post
    We sold him to Hartlepool, he came back and played for Limerick for two seasons, or parts of two seasons perhaps. Joined us in 2013 for about half a season I think and then left the professional game. Think hes coaching/playing for Carrigaline these days. He has let himself go since leaving pro football. That or the yellow jersey is just unflattering.
    He was never the most svelte even when he was a pro to be fair.
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    Is there any reason why Kilkenny City were never re-established in the league.

    Did they just not have the appetite for LOI down there?
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    Kilkenny was always just Jim Rhatigan FC, wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Kilkenny was always just Jim Rhatigan FC, wasn't it?
    He was definitely the driving force behind it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke View Post
    I think you have missed my point, in that I broadly agree it almost certainly won't happen and would struggle in the present way of doing things financially, that was the final and underlying part of my original post.

    Where have i said it would be different ? I simply haven't said that.
    I merely added it to the conversation, referencing some of the possible criteria from earlier posts in the thread, particularly suggestions of clubs in new areas just because population numbers or geographically, they tick a box.

    I know they attracted pitiful crowds, I was there most weeks. I also spoke recently with those involved at the time, and there is full awareness of how steep this hill would be and no intention of trying the climb at all.

    What I did offer, to the conversation, was an area clearly producing the talent, with decent roots in the game, and if the FAI truly did want the league to develop talent for the national side they would act helpfully if the club expressed an interest. They won't & they wont.

    As for what has changed, well the token local in the LOI eleven was an issue, the 'A' side and Rovers sides were all local in the DL and that told. So you would these days have players being produced of an LOI standard locally, (because they are coming through and moving on) that would help re attendances and finances through the gate ( nowhere near enough probably but that's hardly news anywhere across the league )

    But to say I have come on here somehow advocating this is wide of the mark, maybe its more protein you need rather than greens as that promotes brain function and understanding of information taken in
    Whichever side of the bed you got out of on Saturday, Crafty, try the other side in future

    As for that timeworn LOI excuse that a lack of local players "is an issue", there's hardly a provincial club for whom people haven't wheeled that out at some point to justify a lack of support. Even when the same clubs have had mostly or all-local teams it's made feck all difference to their crowds though tbh. It's just one of the many stock excuses that people reach for to justify turning their nose up at Irish football.

    As for the protein - you'll hurt your wrist swinging your hand bag like that, girlfriend !

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateen View Post
    Is there any reason why Kilkenny City were never re-established in the league.

    Did they just not have the appetite for LOI down there?
    Believe they've a women's team at the moment but starting a team effectively from scratch probably wouldn't work too well, evergreen in a more central location, Buckley park and evergreen's current grounds are great but not exactly great locations to get locals to just pop down especially non drivers, might work but they'd be far from certain to survive nevermind thrive

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    Newbridge Town appointing Mick Cooke, any mileage in that down the line for an LOI entrance ?

    Here- https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/s...-town-afc.html
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    Newbridge Town effectively were Kildare County, so they hardly want to come back surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Newbridge Town effectively were Kildare County, so they hardly want to come back surely?
    Haven't Newbridge Town been around for a long time ?
    It says in the press release that this is their 50th anniversary year.
    "Mick takes over the first team affairs with immediate affect and will lead our clubs first team into our 50th anniversary year in 2018/19 in the Leinster Senior League Senior Division."

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    They have, yeah, but I think Kildare County emerged from them - they certainly played in Newbridge's ground, and there may have been some Newbridge officials involved.

    I don't know why Newbridge didn't take the step up themselves - it may have been that Kildare County was a more inclusive name - but I would imagine the fact it was Kildare County who joined the league back in 2002 (?) means Newbridge have no aspirations to jump up themselves.

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    Is Jim Rhatigan still alive?

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    what happened to Paul Perth newbridges previous mgr?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinho II View Post
    what happened to Paul Perth newbridges previous mgr?
    He quit, work reasons I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    I don't know why Newbridge didn't take the step up themselves - it may have been that Kildare County was a more inclusive name - but I would imagine the fact it was Kildare County who joined the league back in 2002 (?) means Newbridge have no aspirations to jump up themselves.
    I think it was that they wanted to preserve their place in the Leinster Senior League if things didn't work out in League of Ireland.

    Tralee Dynamos got screwed over by the Kerry League after they joined the A-Championship for a few years and had to rejoin about 4 divisions down. They made it back up to the Premier but have been relegated this season.

    There definitely would be potential for a Kerry club but whether people would travel from Killarney to Tralee to support a Kerry team playing LoI out of Mounthawk Park is doubtful, though Tralee is a pretty big town easily accessible from all areas of North Kerry.
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    That could well have been it actually.

    All the more reason to get a proper pyramid system in place, if a fear of multiple relegations like that is going to hold some clubs back.

    The current system is utterly unfit for purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke View Post
    As they are mentioned, in 1984, a year before Newcastle West joined LOI in '85 Newcastle Rovers were formed and the two clubs have been big Desmond League rivals since NC West dropped out of LOI and back into DL in 1990. They amalgamated underage last year, a new club called Newcastle West Town FC came into being. They already have an U15 FAI Cup South West win in their first year, the first DL club to win a regional competition. This coming DL season, the clubs will fully amalgamate and the town will put one junior side out. It's very possible this club will have a lot of their own way at DL level.

    The town now has a population of around 6,600. The urban area has passed well beyond the old town boundaries which are due for redefinition.

    The old LOI ground is a lot more developed than it was in the LOI days, a much better facility although obviously probably still short of national league current standards.

    Also current LOI players Liam McCartan (Wexford Youths) Killian Brouder (Limerick FC) Gary Shanahan (Galway) are all ex NCW AFC players. In addition to this, Paudie O'Connor (Leeds Utd via Limerick FC) Anthony Forde (Rotherham United) & John McGrath (ex Villa / Doncaster / Burton and Ireland U21s) are all ex DL players from very nearby.

    So,here you have a club founded in 1948 originally with good tradition and real presence in the area, an area which produces players of a capable standard clearly, and who also have previous in the LOI. You also have a good underage set up and a forward thinking amalgamation for the good of the game in the town as they combine their facilities, infrastructure and efforts.


    Is the potential here for a LOI Div 1 club ? Absolutely, yes in my opinion.

    What do you not have ? A staged pathway to that goal, or the remotest motivation for those at the club to put the club under that financial pressure just to have the status of 'LOI'

    What do you also not have ? A governing body who will address the two above issues.
    Newcastle West AFC has always been a very poorly supported club. The won all around them in the DL in the 90's and 00's but there wouldn't be 10 people at their games - I could tell you to a man who each person was too. Same at underage level - often played against them in Ballygowan Park and they wouldn't have one supporter there. A soulless club really driven by 3/4 dedicated club men. Newcastlewest Rovers was always the 'drinking club', where they had the craic as opposed to AFC who were all about winning. Rovers got their act together at underage level though and became the main schoolboy club. That then eventually fed in to their junior teams. Rovers have comfortably overtaken AFC now at all levels, plus their facilities are a level above too. AFC as a club has been dying a death for years, underage became a farce and the junior side got relegated last season. The amalgamation was inevitable really. But would Newcastle West Town now be capable of sustaining LOI? Not a hope. The club has never been well supported, not in my lifetime anyway, and I watched them in the LOI in Ballygowan Park too.

    Quote Originally Posted by OMTY View Post
    Did Denis Behan come through NCW? I know he's from Abbeyfeale but I had always associated him with NCW for some reason. Either way he's another indicator of decent talent in the NCW hinterland.
    Behan came through Abbeyfeale Utd. Paudie O'Connor came through Kilcornan & Breska Rovers. Anthony Forde came through Ballingarry AFC & John McGrath came through Glantine FC.

    Quote Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve View Post
    Limerick is a big enough county population wise with 90,000 or so NOT living in the City environs so there is enough room for supporting two LOI clubs in one county in theory. Behan was a very decent striker, that goal in the Brandywell for Cork from 30-40 yards out. He just sort of disappeared though it seems. I lived in Abbeyfeale as a kid and got to see him play some local matches when we were teenagers. He was bigger stronger and faster than every other kid so people knew he would do well one day. The South West could and should have an LOI team whether it's Tralee or Newcastlewest. North Kerry is all about hurling, and Kerry aren't world beaters in that regard, while West Limerick is all about Gaelic Football, and Limerick are in Division 4 i think.. A good opportunity in the future for a soccer club to become successful perhaps.
    No chance could Limerick sustain two teams IMO. I live and work between Newcastle West and Limerick. Most of the DL grassroots football lads from West Limerick are already regularly going to Limerick FC games. Based on DL rivalries, NCW would not as a club garner enough support from other DL clubs on a regular basis. There's just no way that lads from Abbeyfeale, Broadford, Rathkeale etc would go supporting NCW in the LOI and the town alone is not big enough to sustain it.

    West Limerick is hurling country btw, aside from about 4 clubs. It may have some of the counties bigger and better gaelic football clubs, but the standard is $hite and the proof is in the pudding at county level where they just don't get the crowds. Whereas you'll see the whole of West Limerick out in force to support the hurlers, and of course every Tom, Dick and Paddy is a Munster rugby supporter even though 95% of them wouldn't know a rugby ball if it hit them square on the face.


    Ennis - would be considered Limerick's catchment area, can never see that happening. Any club that joins would have to have a town centre ground. If lads can't go to the pub or for a bite to eat before or after the game, you can forget about it.

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