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    Yeah, I think the 3 at the back is something we can take away from these friendlies. Also, bar Gelsenkirchen maybe, I can't think of a single time* that Walters on the right has ever really worked. If he plays it has to be centrally alongside a partner in my opinion.

    *Just because I can't think of a time it has worked doesn't mean it has never worked. I just can't remember

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Also, bar Gelsenkirchen maybe, I can't think of a single time* that Walters on the right has ever really worked. If he plays it has to be centrally alongside a partner in my opinion.
    thats exactly one of the few things i took from sat nights match in particular. i havent watched the game back yet but what i saw live reminded me that walters is much more effective through the middle than out wide. i thought he played well through the middle and i was happy that he will still be a good option for us for the next 12 months anyway.

    i also learnt that horgan looked a much better threat down the left when he came on than mcclean has looked for quite a while now.

    i thought odowda played well and looks a threat. overall i think the friendlies have shown that we have decent enough resources to put out a good competitive team come the autumn. goalscoring will be a big issue though.... obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Yeah, I think the 3 at the back is something we can take away from these friendlies. Also, bar Gelsenkirchen maybe, I can't think of a single time* that Walters on the right has ever really worked. If he plays it has to be centrally alongside a partner in my opinion.

    *Just because I can't think of a time it has worked doesn't mean it has never worked. I just can't remember
    Agreed - it's also a position where we are well stocked with options. If a system where we can play our best players can be effective then it makes sense to explore it. At centre half we have Duffy, Clark, Long, Rice (though he can play in midfield), Keogh, Egan, Lenihan... I would say it's a shame we didn't look at Doherty in the wing back position as that's where he plays for Wolves (albeit at right back).

    Maybe Rice as a ball playing centre half in a back three/five could be interesting.

    I also agree with the Walters on the right view - it always surprised me that Long wasn't the one to take up the wide berth with his pace. The only positive aspect of Walters out right is that he'll frequently win flick ons against the full back into space but I can't even remember that really resulting in anything much.

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    I think we have enough capable (I use the word carefully - almost damning with faint praise!) CBs without considering Rice there. Rice just has to play defensive CM for us. He's the only guy capable of doing what we really need to do. I'd love to see him and McCarthy together some time. I'd love to see Hendrick at full potential too. It's a shame O'Kane was injured.

    Overall though, it's still going to be a case of having a lot of half-decent players but with O'Neill ultimately playing safe, if not downright obstinate, picking McClean ahead of Horgan (who was excellent), playing McClean upfront if necessary and all kinds of regressive things.

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    I did find it interesting that, with some of the regular starters missing, O'Neill chose to experiment with a different formation, instead of trying out new players in a standard 4-4-2.
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    I'd like to see Rice in the middle of a back 3 as a libero. It's as difficult a role as there is in football but I think he's good enough.

    Possibly in a 3-4-3 to allow us to get a bit of creativity going with a xouple of inside forwards getting around the opposition box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Jesus that was hard to watch and I came home just flattened by the way O’Neill is managing this team.

    Watched 2nd half again this morning am am now more positive, especially the way we played in the last 10-20 mins - though USA seemed to just collapse.

    We won every second ball and used it constructively. I think Horgan made a lot happen by wanting the ball a lot. Horgan and Stevens worked very well together. Horgan has a great gift of being able to just crate a few feet of space to put in a good cross. A better player than McLean and far better at receiving the ball.

    Stevens deserves credit but I actually think it’s at least as much down to picking a specialist LB in the LB position. Williams did OK in Paris and I think Cunningham deserves a look.

    Overall I’m disappointed 2 friendlies went by without looking properly at Doherty.

    Rice, Lenihan, Stevens (what a first touch from a drilled pass from Horgan) and Horgan were all excellent later on. O’Dowda decent but careless at times.

    Kevin Long quietly impressive. Arter had a strong cameo. Burke was good all night I thought - better than Maguire is my first impression of each in an international shirt. Sure, Turkey away is harder but Maguire’s first touch was poor all night in his debut.

    Doyle to blame for a goal again. As soon as the US won that header he should have charged out to at least punch it. Randolph would have I’m certain. Hendrick was shocked he didn’t come for it, though he should have taken charge himself in the absence of a shout.

    We have 3 better keepers, Brady, McCarthy, Clark and Shane Long still to come back. That’s a lot of experience.

    Hourihane, Hogan, Maguire, Doherty, Judge etc are still to figure properly. Browne has something to offer I think but needs a few more games before we can decide.

    I’d make a good fist of making a good team from all of that.

    So, less pessimistic than at HT yesterday except I still have no faith whatsoever in O’Neill and the first half was ****. The sight of O’Neill flanked by Keane, Guppy and Walford - who thinks he’s in fcuking Miami Vice - just makes me think we are managed by a bunch of utterly ineffective free loaders. We capped a few new faces but deep down I think O’Neill will interpret what he saw in a regressive fashion.

    That’s where I disagree with SamHjr - I just don’t see O’Neill learning what was capable of being learnt from these games.
    It was a vast improvement on the French game, restored my belief in the squad, we created a lot of chances.
    Maybe it is "only the USA" but they are higher ranked (24th) than us.

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    Dan McDonnell mentioned on Off The Ball that it's the first come from behind win under O'Neill
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