2005 Attendances

[pineapple stu]

It's possible City don't include season ticket holders as hard to keep track of their numbers as they just flash a card at the gate?

Or it's possible that Cork fans continually overestimate the number of fans they have by a good deal?

Why would the Waterford crowd be right and the Shels one be wrong? Only posisble if no season ticket holders went to the Waterford game.

[sligoman]

Does it go the full length of the pitch?

Yep, pretty much. I thought it held 2000?

[Stato]

Yep, pretty much. I thought it held 2000?

I asked Pats' club secretary and he told me they'd counted the number of seats beforehand in case there was any argument over the amount of the gate receipts and they counted 1550 including the directors box. They also counted the blue stand which is where the 853 figure comes from.

[sligoman]

I asked Pats' club secretary and he told me they'd counted the number of seats beforehand in case there was any argument over the amount of the gate receipts and they counted 1550 including the directors box. They also counted the blue stand which is where the 853 figure comes from.

Jesus, Pat's were making sure they didn't miss out on a cent anyway . Stingy fcukers!

[Terry]

I asked Pats' club secretary and he told me they'd counted the number of seats beforehand in case there was any argument over the amount of the gate receipts and they counted 1550 including the directors box. They also counted the blue stand which is where the 853 figure comes from.

Surely this would throw all the attendances for Sligo way out of proportion ????

[Redzer]

Surely this would throw all the attendances for Sligo way out of proportion ????

Yes Terry, everyone who comes to the Showgrounds, leaves with big belly's, small legs and overgrown toenails.
Way, way out of proportion.

[pineapple stu]

Surely this would throw all the attendances for Sligo way out of proportion ????

Wait and see what their website comes up with first - most of the figures come from there.

[MariborKev]

I think they announced the Shels figure as 5350 or something. Waterford figure seems about right from my memory of the programme.

Its possible City don't include season ticket holders as hard to keep track of their numbers as they just flash a card at the gate?

Or they just assume that all the season ticket holders turn up, and then add this to the number of tickets sold

[sligoman]

Wait and see what their website comes up with first - most of the figures come from there.

The website already says it. 2000 is the figure on it.

[pineapple stu]

Official attendnces for Cork City last 2 home league games as per UEFA cup programme.

Waterford 3,100
Shels 5,100.

Versus 5000 at 7000 here!

[Da Real Rover]

The website already says it. 2000 is the figure on it.

Oops terry, a sure that wont stop yee, go on have another bitter jealous rant on how could we be possibly getting gates that seem to dwarf that small club down there into an even smaller and MORE bitter club??

[OneRedArmy]

Official attendnces for Cork City last 2 home league games as per UEFA cup programme.

Waterford 3,100
Shels 5,100

Versus 5000 and 7000 here!

Bloody Rip Off Ireland, inflation is rampant.

Maybe Eddie Hobbs, Corkonian that he is, can sort it out?

[Patrick Dunne]

.. is to compare and analyse attendances over this season and last season.
This is the only way we can make an informed opinion as to whether summer football has been a success, whether Friday night is the best night for games, etc.

Its not a "we are bigger than you" thread !!!

If there are 78 people at Terryland next Friday, then the attendance will be reported as 78. Ergo, if there were 1800 people in the Showgrounds last Friday, which is a very good attendance, why not report it as 1800. I don't see the point of artifically inflating, or deflating, attendances.

[sligoman]

I don't see the point of artifically inflating, or deflating, attendances.

Neither do I PD, but we dont know the actual attendance that's why I go by whatever goes up on the site so blame the webmaster

[Da Real Rover]

.. is to compare and analyse attendances over this season and last season.
This is the only way we can make an informed opinion as to whether summer football has been a success, whether Friday night is the best night for games, etc.

Its not a "we are bigger than you" thread !!!

If there are 78 people at Terryland next Friday, then the attendance will be reported as 78. Ergo, if there were 1800 people in the Showgrounds last Friday, which is a very good attendance, why not report it as 1800. I don't see the point of artifically inflating, or deflating, attendances.

The MC dont count attendances, i dont know why but thats the way it is (they could be still suffering from sticky fingers) or they just couldnt be arsed. Remember the time when we we're in our deepest debt was when we wer rakeing in the cash and wer getting up on 7000 in 94. Something strange about that, but i dont know why we have to try and guesstimate the crowd. Our figures are not to the one and the ten but usually correct if you give or take a hundred.

[paudie]

Official attendnces for Cork City last 2 home league games as per UEFA cup programme.

Waterford 3,100
Shels 5,100.

Cant remember exact figures. Will check and edit tommorrow.

Waterford 3159
shels 5379

[Terry]

Oops terry, a sure that wont stop yee, go on have another bitter jealous rant on how could we be possibly getting gates that seem to dwarf that small club down there into an even smaller and MORE bitter club??

What kind of tosser are you? All I asked was would this be putting the attendance figures out for all the other matches so as everyone thought that the stand held more people than that !!

Idiot of the highest order

[higgins]

I don't see the point of artifically inflating, or deflating, attendances.

I agree with Patrick,
Its very sad that it turns into the 'we got more then you' rubbish. Also annoying that when official figures are released that they are also questioned as being too low The 7000 that turned into 5379 and the number of other games where the official figure came in a lot lower shows that either you are part of the 'we got more then you' group or simply cant tell how many your stadium holds

For the sake of this thread would it not be best to say nothing if you dont have a good idea how many were present ?

Its also strange that the crowds are never under estimated down Turners Cross!! You have by far the best crowds out of everyone so inflating them further really does nobody any good. Some have even stated attendences over the capacity of your stadium

[pete]

I couldn't be bother wading back through the thread but while i;m sure someone said 7000 i estimated 6200-6500 or similar myself.

The cross is easy to calculate

Main stand - 1850 (will always have 1500+)
Derrynane opposite camera - 1100 (usually 800+)
Shed - official capacity 1500 but anything from 1000-2000
St Annes End - 3000 capcity but usually hardly to estimate.

Because we have bigger crowds our estimates are out by more.
If i over estimate 5300 to 6500 thats the same as overestimating a 1500 as 1850.

[Redzer]

The MC dont count attendances, i dont know why but thats the way it is

I'm not sure that statment is 100% correct, that the MC dont count attendances. Because our turnstiles are not fitted with counters, it is near impossible to give an absolute accurate figure.
My understanding is, and I have asked members of the MC to clarify this situation. They issue a pass to each one entering the ground as they purchase their ticket. This pass is either Adult, student or OAP. This is how they check if the money collected is equal to the amount of passes given.
Season tickets holders, match night sponsors, match night workers, guests, etc. are not given passes, as they have a seperate enterance.
So, the overall attendance is somewhat "guesstimated" as a result.
The new wall and enterances, will have electronic counters on the turnstiles. Until that is complete, we have to accept the official website figure as been as accurate as is presently possible.