LoI Fixture 6-7 April

**micls** · 07/04/2018, 7:38 PM

Oh yay, LOI first billing on the sport.....

**mcgonigle** · 07/04/2018, 7:57 PM

Good game in Oriel last night, looked like we would run out comfortable winners but credit to Rovers they dug in and can feel unfortunate. The less said about the goalkeeper situation the better.

Honestly don't know where Asterix's cringe worthy posts have come from, that was the most subdued game between the two that I have seen in a long time. There wasn't one bad tackle in the game!

On the Waterford/Cork melee, no doubt Hery was wrong and will get a ban but as much as Cork fans try to deflect it never happens if Caulfield doesn't enter the pitch. Once Hery dribbles off with the ball he's getting booked and the game would have continued. Should be an equally sizeable ban for Caulfield, not that it means much for a manager

**micls** · 07/04/2018, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by mcgonigle

Good game in Oriel last night, looked like we would run out comfortable winners but credit to Rovers they dug in and can feel unfortunate. The less said about the goalkeeper situation the better.

Honestly don't know where Asterix's cringe worthy posts have come from, that was the most subdued game between the two that I have seen in a long time. There wasn't one bad tackle in the game!

On the Waterford/Cork melee, no doubt Hery was wrong and will get a ban but as much as Cork fans try to deflect it never happens if Caulfield doesn't enter the pitch. Once Hery dribbles off with the ball he's getting booked and the game would have continued. Should be an equally sizeable ban for Caulfield, not that it means much for a manager

Using that logic it would never have happened if Hery hadn't taken the ball away from Griffin, or if the Waterford bench hadn't kept the ball. It also certainly wouldn't have kicked off the way it did if Hery hasn't pushed Caulfield as he walked away.

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

**White Horse** · 07/04/2018, 8:17 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

Hery reacted violently and will bear the brunt of the punishment. Caulfield will get a touchline ban that will make little difference to Cork.

Hery let down Waterford. They can ill afford to do without him.

When the celebrations die down, Waterford fans should give that some thought.

**mcgonigle** · 07/04/2018, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Using that logic it would never have happened if Hery hadn't taken the ball away from Griffin, or if the Waterford bench hadn't kept the ball. It also certainly wouldn't have kicked off the way it did if Hery hasn't pushed Caulfield as he walked away.

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

I never gave him a pass but you already know that.

The things you mentioned happen in most games a sub on a bench holding onto the ball , a player kicking or dribbling the ball away, the ref deals with it and the game continues. What Caulfield did was unprecedented which is why he should shoulder most of the blame.

Be interesting to see what comes out of it, I presume footage cannot be reviewed and bans will only be dished out based the refs report? If footage can be reviewed a lot of players could be in trouble. For instance there's a still of what looks like McNulty punching Hery, I would imagine there would be plenty more of that on both sides.

Best thing would probably be a 12 point deduction for both, only fair way really

**Ezeikial** · 07/04/2018, 8:41 PM

Derry move to 5th place and within a point of Shamrock Rovers with 2 games in hand. Sligo 0-2 Derry

**gormacha** · 07/04/2018, 8:52 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense.

I'd say the amount of people outside of Cork City fans who would agree with this point is minimal. Everything else up to Caulfield's incursion is within normal expectations for a match - as infuriating as Waterford's time-wasting might have bene, it's standard operating procedure as the clock winds down. And of course no-one is "trying to pin the whole thing on him" - there were multiple guilty parties - but he's the catalyst.

Originally Posted by micls

The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

This is a straw man argument. No-one is suggesting H�ry gets a pass. And he didn't, and he won't. He got a red, and will rightly get a ban for violent conduct.

A genuine non-trolling question for you: if the roles had been reversed and Alan Reynolds had run on to the pitch and it all kicked off in a similar manner, would you be arguing it wasn't his fault?

**dong** · 07/04/2018, 8:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Derry move to 5th place and within a point of Shamrock Rovers with 2 games in hand. Sligo 0-2 Derry

This needs drastic action before we are cut adrift.

**patrickccfc** · 07/04/2018, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by gormacha

A genuine non-trolling question for you: if the roles had been reversed and Alan Reynolds had run on to the pitch and it all kicked off in a similar manner, would you be arguing it wasn't his fault?

Same thing would apply really, Reynolds would've been wrong for entering the pitch and our player shouldn't have acted in such a violent manner.

**oriel** · 07/04/2018, 9:47 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

I think most would accept that Caulfield started the whole damn thing ! Hery reaction warranted a red but a manager on the pitch involved with an altercation with a player ? Caulfield should expect the worst in my view, another thing if he gets it, but absolutely no need for him to have got involved in the first place. He ended up looking like a fool, this is a pretty experienced manager and he should have known better. The pressure is obviously getting to him.

I still haven't seen footage to see why Reynolds was sent to the stands, maybe verbals?

**Olander** · 07/04/2018, 9:54 PM

Anybody who watches Caulfield on the sideline will know this is not an isolated incident.

Hopefully he will receive a long ban for encroaching the pitch, he has no business being there and in general he acts like a complete muppet on the sideline.

**gormacha** · 07/04/2018, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

Same thing would apply really, Reynolds would've been wrong for entering the pitch and our player shouldn't have acted in such a violent manner.

Implicit in this is that you agree that the manager's actions started the episode?

**patrickccfc** · 07/04/2018, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by gormacha

Implicit in this is that you agree that the manager's actions started the episode?

Yeah of course the whole thing never happens if JC stays off the pitch, anyone can see that. But the situation is made worse with the push and it all kicks off then.

**GCdfc** · 07/04/2018, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

Yeah of course the whole thing never happens if JC stays off the pitch, anyone can see that. But the situation is made worse with the push and it all kicks off then.

The whole thing never would have happened if association football wasn't invented, or if apes didn't evolve....

If JC had stayed in his box for once, Hery would have gotten a card for time wasting as is the rules. This whole situation is solely down to JC.

**mcgonigle** · 07/04/2018, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by GCdfc

The whole thing never would have happened if association football wasn't invented, or if apes didn't evolve....

If JC had stayed in his box for once, Hery would have gotten a card for time wasting as is the rules. This whole situation is solely down to JC.

Wasting your time, they won't see it. It's understandable to a point, you want to defend your own. But they're using Hery's actions as a deflection for Caulfield being the catalyst and obviously because we follow a rival our opinions are void

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/04/2018, 11:29 PM

I've heard Caulfield called an awful lot worse than a catalyst.

**patrickccfc** · 07/04/2018, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by mcgonigle

Wasting your time, they won't see it. It's understandable to a point, you want to defend your own. But they're using Hery's actions as a deflection for Caulfield being the catalyst and obviously because we follow a rival our opinions are void

But I do see it. JC's actions caused this, there's no denying that. Not deflecting the blame, but if Hery doesn't push JC to the ground then all the player's don't storm over and there's no sendings off apart from JC being removed from the dugout.