LoI Fixture 6-7 April

**Ezeikial** · 07/04/2018, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Crosshead

I keep seeing this argument being made with no examples given. For what it's worth the most egregious sideline behaviour I've seen this season, last night aside, was Bradley at the Cross and nothing was done about it.

I suppose it depends on what you see as being disgraceful behaviour. I suspect that White Horse was relating to the normal or consistent sideline behaviour of managers, as opposed to the type of egregious incidents like last night (or the Stephen Bradley inspired sideline ruckus where Dean Dillon got red carded in Rovers v Dundalk match last season)

From what I have seen the Cork and Shamrock Rovers benches exhibit the most belligerent and raucous behaviour of any of the PD teams. Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. This bellicose and undisciplined attitude often translates to the players on the pitch.

John Caulfield and Stephen Bradley are among the most consistent in pushing this to the edge and beyond

**placid casual** · 07/04/2018, 12:39 PM

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

**Ezeikial** · 07/04/2018, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I expect Rovers will create chances and maybe even score, but I certainly don't expect a positive approach.
I fully expect Rovers to take a cautious attitude. be physical and hope to get a goal from counter attacks, route one ball or set-pieces.

Hat eating time.

Rovers were excellent; far from taking a cautious approach to the game, they had a proper tilt at it.

Dan Carr was a real handful and seems to have settled well. To my surprise Pico Lopez did well against Patrick Hoban. I considered Rovers suspect in defence and blunt in attack, but apart from the obvious goalkeeping farce, Rovers were strong in both departments with a predictable effective midfield.

With a relatively easy fixture list until the end of the month, it should be possible for Rovers to get back on track for a Euro place

**osarusan** · 07/04/2018, 1:01 PM

The absence of posts from Limerick or Bohs fans can only mean that they are still speechless as a result of the footballing extravaganza served up in Dalymount last night.

**Nesta99** · 07/04/2018, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by placid casual

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

A Cork fan has, in the last couple of pages here, singled out Bradley for the behaviour described in Turners Cross. We all have seen what happened with Caulfield in the RSC last night. All points to games v Dundalk as the common denominator.......

The worst managers for antics on the sideline that ive seen were Fenlon and to a lesser extent Foster. There have been livewire managers like Paul Cook who had some self control and managed his own team not the all officials.

**patrickccfc** · 07/04/2018, 1:06 PM

Just watched the footage of last night's incident. JC should've never gone on the pitch I don't condone that, but what Hery did was absolutely disgraceful. Caulfield lit the match but Hery poured the petrol and it just blew up then. Be interesting to see what bans are handed out.

On the game, the first half we were very comfortable and at half time there was no indication of what transpired in the second. We were poor overall, but I didn't find anything impressive about Waterford.

Mcnamee is a No.10 and needs to be played there, not out on the wing it just makes no sense to have him there and Shep on the bench.

Very disappointing to come away with nothing, 2 home games now to put it right. Can't afford to drop anything in those games.

**White Horse** · 07/04/2018, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

Mcnamee is a No.10 and needs to be played there, not out on the wing it just makes no sense to have him there and Shep on the bench.

Just noticed that. Caulfield is very cautious in big games, particularly away from home. I doubt he is going to change.

He seems to prefer a midfield trio of McCormack, Buckley, and Morrissey. It's not creative enough, in my opinion.

**micls** · 07/04/2018, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

Just noticed that. Caulfield is very cautious in big games, particularly away from home. I doubt he is going to change.

He seems to prefer a midfield trio of McCormack, Buckley, and Morrissey. It's not creative enough, in my opinion.

Yep, as we said, Buckley bring suspended could be a blessing in disguise

**Ezeikial** · 07/04/2018, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by placid casual

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

I think I got it now - it's always someone else's fault

**placid casual** · 07/04/2018, 1:56 PM

to be honest, its probably more annoyance at dundalks mastery of the dark arts, chief protaganist being O'Donnell.

Kenny brought an air of professionalism to dundalk, with fitness, diet, recovery etc etc , but I also think he invested time in educating his players in how to "manage" games
bradley is still very much wet behind the ears in this managment game, and caulfield just pushes out the chip on his shoulder the rest of his countymen also possess.

cracking game last night, it has to be said.

**Crosshead** · 07/04/2018, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I think I got it now - it's always someone else's fault

That's Stephen Kenny's usual line anyway!

**White Horse** · 07/04/2018, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by placid casual

to be honest, its probably more annoyance at dundalks mastery of the dark arts, chief protaganist being O'Donnell.

Kenny brought an air of professionalism to dundalk, with fitness, diet, recovery etc etc , but I also think he invested time in educating his players in how to "manage" games
bradley is still very much wet behind the ears in this managment game, and caulfield just pushes out the chip on his shoulder the rest of his countymen also possess.

cracking game last night, it has to be said.

That was a very disciplined performance from Rovers, even the bench were very calm!

It was the first time where Dundalk have played Rovers in recent seasons, and I came away with the thought that Rovers are building towards something.

Easily the best side we've played this season. Having said that Waterford were missing a number of players when we played them.

**Asterix** · 07/04/2018, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I suppose it depends on what you see as being disgraceful behaviour. I suspect that White Horse was relating to the normal or consistent sideline behaviour of managers, as opposed to the type of egregious incidents like last night (or the Stephen Bradley inspired sideline ruckus where Dean Dillon got red carded in Rovers v Dundalk match last season)

From what I have seen the Cork and Shamrock Rovers benches exhibit the most belligerent and raucous behaviour of any of the PD teams. Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. This bellicose and undisciplined attitude often translates to the players on the pitch.

John Caulfield and Stephen Bradley are among the most consistent in pushing this to the edge and beyond

Disgraceful from the dundalk bench last night, Kenny out of the technical area, 3 coaches standing up simultaneously and hoban and connolly getting involved as well for whatever reason.

**White Horse** · 07/04/2018, 2:12 PM

Dedication is combing through a recording of a match to spot a manager a couple of inches outside his technical area.

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/04/2018, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

Defensively we were all over the place last night. A lot of the credit should go to Carr, whose hold up play was excellent. However, Folan had a mare which eventually affected Cleary beside him. There is no way we could have kept eight consecutive clean sheets with that level of defensive performance.

It was a really good performance by Rovers, very disciplined too.

Its still too easy go get behind their defence on the left. The first goal came from one such move but Dundalk should have capitalised this weakness more.

I don't understand why Bradley didn't go for Cherrie but then again there is a lot about Bradley I don't understand, like why he let Madden go, and why he won't play Aaron Bolger.

Bolger is doing his Leaving Cert so hasn't been involved much as that's more important. As for Cherrie, I don't know if Bradley tried to sign him or not, but he got his move to the league champions so maybe that was his choice.

**Nesta99** · 07/04/2018, 2:47 PM

Id agree with WH above! Rovers were the most composed they have been against Dundalk in a while and would have been good value for a point. Bradley was quite subdued on the sideline tbh and there were plenty of calls that the ref let go for both sides but both sides just gon on with it.

**sbgawa** · 07/04/2018, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

That was a very disciplined performance from Rovers, even the bench were very calm!

It was the first time where Dundalk have played Rovers in recent seasons, and I came away with the thought that Rovers are building towards something.

Easily the best side we've played this season. Having said that Waterford were missing a number of players when we played them.

And no question dundalk are head and shoulders above anything we've played. Still think we can get back into contention but we need a good run now and then beat cork in Tallaght. Great game last night might even tempt a few barstoolers out. I'm off to watch duffs under 15s see if I can cheer myself up 😀