LoI Fixture 6-7 April

**GCdfc** · 08/04/2018, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

But I do see it. JC's actions caused this, there's no denying that. Not deflecting the blame, but if Hery doesn't push JC to the ground then all the player's don't storm over and there's no sendings off apart from JC being removed from the dugout.

There is no point in mentioning Hery at all. If JC wasn’t on the pitch none of this would have happened. Hery would have been dealt with by the referee and gotten a card and then the referee may have added on 30 seconds for timewasting.

**micls** · 08/04/2018, 9:14 AM

There's no point mentioning Hery at all? Hery started the violent conduct. This 'no point mentioning gin' is exactly what I was talking about earlier in giving him a pass. As if Caulfield being on the pitch justified his actions. It didn't.

Caulfield shouldn't have been on the pitch, managers shouldn't be on the pitch, no question. But there was no one calling for Bradley's head when he was on the pitch in Turners Cross because none of our lads lost the head at him and it didn't turn into a brawl.

Trying to pin the blame for the entire event on caulfield is nonsense. He shouldn't have been on the pitch. He'll get banned for it. But the idea that it's all his fault completely takes responsibility away from Hery for his actions. Pushing JC, starting the violent conduct led to the brawl.

I agree Caulfield should have left the ref deal with the time wasting, and he deserves his red card for encroaching and the ban he'll get for it. But it doesn't in any way justify of excuse getting violent and scummy about it.

The idea that someone encroaching on the pitch should get a longer ban than the people actually bring violent is ridiculous to me.

The 4 sent off for violent conduct (still not sure what Reynolds went off for) are in for minimum 3 games. I'd have Hery longer than the others, but wouldn't be surprised if they all get the same.

Caulfield was sent off for encroaching. Likely comes under unsporting behaviour. Minimum 1 game. Obviously he'll get more than the minimum.

I'd imagine Caulfield and Hery will get similar bans and will be seen as instigators, with the others getting slightly less.

Hery is a huge loss.

When does the disciplinary committee normally meet

**GCdfc** · 08/04/2018, 9:27 AM

Yet another deflection. Hery was a typical footballer and reacted. Hewould have been dealt with by the ref, most probably a yellow card as per the rules. It was a non incident until JC entered the field. That is the facts. JC caused it. Hery would not have had a chance to react if JC wasn't there. JC should get a lengthly ban for it. He instigated the whole situation. It was entertaining to watch, and even more entertaining is the the defending through deflection of the golden boy by Cork fans.

**pineapple stu** · 08/04/2018, 9:28 AM

Yeah, but Hery did push Caulfield over. It's too simplistic to ignore his role.

That said, no harm in a big scuffle every now and again. It should go on the MNS opening credits just after the flares. Ban Hery, ban Caulfield, move on

**micls** · 08/04/2018, 9:38 AM

Utter nonsense. 'Reacted'. Come off the stage. Caulfield was walking away form the situation when he ran to push him.

And people above were claiming no one was minimising Herys role. Good thing you stepped in to prove my point.

**Yossarian** · 08/04/2018, 9:46 AM

I’m no fan of Caulfield and his antics on the sideline but every manager has run onto the pitch at some stage to retrieve a ball back, particularly if it’s late in the game and they are chasing a goal. It’s easy to say he should have let the ref deal with it but emotions are high and it is always very frustrating when players are time wasting with the ball. He’ll get his ban for being sent off which won’t really affect Cork that much.
Hery should’ve just let him get the ball and carry on but once he pushed Caulfield over there was always going to be a melee. Seemed to be the usual handbags stuff and the normal bans for the players who were sent off should be sufficient. Waterford will suffer a lot more than Cork with both Hery and Aborah missing a couple of games at the same time.

**Ezeikial** · 08/04/2018, 10:28 AM

Ffs it is plain to see what happened from the SR cameras. Bans looming for all involved.

Although it is slightly comedic how Cork fans are consoling by the notion that Waterford will miss their suspended players more, and developing apoplectic outrage at Hery

**Nesta99** · 08/04/2018, 10:53 AM

I doubt Hery expected his shove to have had such an impact. It makes little difference but I doubt he actually meant to push Caulfield over. When the melee did start Caulfield was a million miles from it. I think he knew himself the catalyst role he had played in the whole thing. Id imagine his pride is as bruised as his backside. McNulty must have some turn of pace to get in to the mix as quickly as he did. Considering where Waterford are in the table if any bans effect them more than Cork so be it.

**GCdfc** · 08/04/2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Utter nonsense. 'Reacted'. Come off the stage. Caulfield was walking away form the situation when he ran to push him.

And people above were claiming no one was minimising Herys role. Good thing you stepped in to prove my point.

Yeah reacted. Many footballers aren’t the smartest. Sure you know that by having McNulty on your team. They tend to react in the heat of the moment. Again think about McNulty charging up th pitch to get involved. The push wouldn’t have knocked over my great grand uncle who is in his 90s. Caulfield s just caught off balance and gave us a chuckle.

**sullanefc** · 08/04/2018, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by GCdfc

Yeah reacted. Many footballers aren’t the smartest. Sure you know that by having McNulty on your team. They tend to react in the heat of the moment. Again think about McNulty charging up th pitch to get involved. The push wouldn’t have knocked over my great grand uncle who is in his 90s. Caulfield s just caught off balance and gave us a chuckle.

Oh the obsession with McNulty. I'm glad he is still in your heads.
If Hery doesn't push Caulfield there is no melee. Longer ban coming for him I'd say.

**sbgawa** · 08/04/2018, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by micls

There's no point mentioning Hery at all? Hery started the violent conduct. This 'no point mentioning gin' is exactly what I was talking about earlier in giving him a pass. As if Caulfield being on the pitch justified his actions. It didn't.

Caulfield shouldn't have been on the pitch, managers shouldn't be on the pitch, no question. But there was no one calling for Bradley's head when he was on the pitch in Turners Cross because none of our lads lost the head at him and it didn't turn into a brawl.

Trying to pin the blame for the entire event on caulfield is nonsense. He shouldn't have been on the pitch. He'll get banned for it. But the idea that it's all his fault completely takes responsibility away from Hery for his actions. Pushing JC, starting the violent conduct led to the brawl.

I agree Caulfield should have left the ref deal with the time wasting, and he deserves his red card for encroaching and the ban he'll get for it. But it doesn't in any way justify of excuse getting violent and scummy about it.

The idea that someone encroaching on the pitch should get a longer ban than the people actually bring violent is ridiculous to me.

The 4 sent off for violent conduct (still not sure what Reynolds went off for) are in for minimum 3 games. I'd have Hery longer than the others, but wouldn't be surprised if they all get the same.

Caulfield was sent off for encroaching. Likely comes under unsporting behaviour. Minimum 1 game. Obviously he'll get more than the minimum.

I'd imagine Caulfield and Hery will get similar bans and will be seen as instigators, with the others getting slightly less.

Hery is a huge loss.

When does the disciplinary committee normally meet

Disciplinary committee will meat before Friday. 3 matches for hery 2 for everyone else I reckon. Touchline bans for the managers 3 for Caulfield a 1 for the Waterford manager.

**White Horse** · 08/04/2018, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Oh the obsession with McNulty. I'm glad he is still in your heads.

I think you have that the wrong way around.

**Nesta99** · 08/04/2018, 12:32 PM

His performance in Oriel would certainly indicate that!

**Lim till i die** · 08/04/2018, 12:48 PM

The cork manager runs onto the field and kicks someone from behind.

And the incident is the fault of the person he kicked??

Those who know my posting history will know I'm not one for tarring whole groups or individuals.

But I think it's fair to say, having read the last few pages, that all cork fans are genuinely disturbed of mind, cultists.

Wait til caulfields hole gets better and they find themselves playing in Guyana. and somehow it'll be someone else's fault.

**Lim till i die** · 08/04/2018, 12:58 PM

On caulfield and his behavior I genuinely blame the officials around the league.

john caulfield has zero class or manners.

Now that's not necessarily his fault. He could have had really terrible parents. He could have grown up in some kind of reform school. We just don't know. But the point is he is an absolutely terrible person and widely regarded as such. I know this. You know this. The fai know this. Yet he is constantly humoured.

Example: when he brought his eye wateringly expensive cork team up to draw with billy dennehys ghost and whatever else we had thrown together that evening caulfield spent more or less the entire game outside his technical area. Now as we have already established this wasn't johns fault. john is a terrible human being. But what was the fourth official doing?? If it was a child or an animal you would try and correct it.

You can't blame john caulfield for being john caulfield anymore than you can blame a dog for being a dog. But the officials??

Maybe if he was corrected every now and again he wouldn't act out.

No one in the cult is going to correct him. We've established that.

As an organisation the FAI has let john caulfield and his followers down basically.

**oriel** · 08/04/2018, 1:18 PM

The key part in all of this and the reason the match ended like it did with 4 red cards and both managers sent off, is that Caulfield started the whole thing.

That point has to be acknowledged.

**buzz442** · 08/04/2018, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by micls

There's no point mentioning Hery at all? Hery started the violent conduct. This 'no point mentioning gin' is exactly what I was talking about earlier in giving him a pass. As if Caulfield being on the pitch justified his actions. It didn't.

Caulfield shouldn't have been on the pitch, managers shouldn't be on the pitch, no question. But there was no one calling for Bradley's head when he was on the pitch in Turners Cross because none of our lads lost the head at him and it didn't turn into a brawl.

Trying to pin the blame for the entire event on caulfield is nonsense. He shouldn't have been on the pitch. He'll get banned for it. But the idea that it's all his fault completely takes responsibility away from Hery for his actions. Pushing JC, starting the violent conduct led to the brawl.

I agree Caulfield should have left the ref deal with the time wasting, and he deserves his red card for encroaching and the ban he'll get for it. But it doesn't in any way justify of excuse getting violent and scummy about it.

The idea that someone encroaching on the pitch should get a longer ban than the people actually bring violent is ridiculous to me.

The 4 sent off for violent conduct (still not sure what Reynolds went off for) are in for minimum 3 games. I'd have Hery longer than the others, but wouldn't be surprised if they all get the same.

Caulfield was sent off for encroaching. Likely comes under unsporting behaviour. Minimum 1 game. Obviously he'll get more than the minimum.

I'd imagine Caulfield and Hery will get similar bans and will be seen as instigators, with the others getting slightly less.

Hery is a huge loss.

When does the disciplinary committee normally meet

You are spot on, in everything other than the length of bans in my opinion.

Caulfield will probably get just a 1 game ban along with Reynolds, although that depends on whether they see Caulfield's actions as contributing to what then happened afterwards, then he will get a 3 game ban in my opinion. Hery & Aborah from Waterford & Beatty & Buckley from CCFC will get the book slung at them, they completely and utterly lost it and will in all probability get between 3-6 game bans a piece.

**buzz442** · 08/04/2018, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by oriel

The key part in all of this and the reason the match ended like it did with 4 red cards and both managers sent off, is that Caulfield started the whole thing.

That point has to be acknowledged.

Watch the videos again buddy, it was started by the Waterford bench not giving the ball back and then Hery dribbling off towards the middle of the pitch with it, YOU CANNOT DO THAT, cop on!

**buzz442** · 08/04/2018, 1:32 PM

Are people blind on here on just wearing those rose tinted glasses again, Caulfield is an idiot on the sidelines, I totally agree with that, but saying he kicked Hery is complete rubbish. He was trying to recover the ball with his leg and caught Hery, theres a massive difference, Hery should never have been running off onto the pitch with the ball in the first place. He must have run all of 30 Yards just to get involved in the first place!