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    Quote Originally Posted by mark12345 View Post
    The 8th Amendment. Remember that. If you don't, who could blame you?
    It was designed for you not to be appalled by its language (just like "The Right To Choose" or "Pro Choice" in America).
    Why is this relevant now?
    Well in case it went unnoticed in Ireland this week, the New York State Legislature just passed a bill which allows a baby to be aborted at any time during the pregnancy and even after it has been born (killed in other words).
    Some are calling it the "Fourth Trimester". Others are calling it "Infantacide"

    And those who perform these abortions/killings cannot be prosecuted (and from what I understand they don't even have to be medical professionals - lay people who do it also).
    And the wonderful folks in the New York State Legislature rose in unison to cheer and applaud the passing of the bill.

    Meanwhile down in Virginia, a bill was introduced which the Governor of that state backed. In his description of what would happen in such situations, Governor Northam said that a baby could potentially be born and "made comfortable" while the mother and physician were allowed to have a discussion as to its (the baby's) fate. Meaning that any time after the birth of the baby, the mother could decide whether she wanted the child or not. There was no word as to how long the mother could take to decide (a half hour, an hour, a week a month?) Who knows? One wonders, what would happen if the mother decided after a few months that she really didn't want her newborn? Fortunately that bill was defeated in the Viriniga State Legislature. But it looks like we have reached new lows in our 'handling' of the unborn.

    Why is this important to Ireland? Well you can be guaranteed it is coming to a hospital near you soon.
    Nonsense - from start to finish.
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    That's the greatest load of horsesh!t I've read in quite some time.

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    I take it from your response that you do not believe what I've written?
    I have absolutely no reason to lie - it was all over American TV during the week.
    I won't benefit in way shape or form if you believe me or not.
    But for your own peace of mind, do your research and find out for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    That's the greatest load of horsesh!t I've read in quite some time.
    Don't take my word for it. Maybe you look at the following.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBoT4Xi8QVo

    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    Nonsense - from start to finish.
    Nonsense?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBoT4Xi8QVo
    Last edited by dahamsta; 12/02/2019 at 12:49 PM.

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    Only saw the above post because it was quoted (so they aren't "hidden" like user posts, I'm guessing its impossible to do so). Did a quick Google on this issue. Beyond the (numerous) Conservative media outlets screaming "Infantacide!" I found this pretty good summation from Vox, this fact check from NBC and this counter-point from a Democrat.

    Long story short, the proposed laws are being deliberately misinterpreted and the governor in question has been misquoted/had quotes taken out of context. Shocker, I know. I'm sure the response is going to be something along the lines of "mainstream liberal media". I don't care.
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    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Only saw the above post because it was quoted (so they aren't "hidden" like user posts, I'm guessing its impossible to do so). Did a quick Google on this issue. Beyond the (numerous) Conservative media outlets screaming "Infantacide!" I found this pretty good summation from Vox, this fact check from NBC and this counter-point from a Democrat.

    Long story short, the proposed laws are being deliberately misinterpreted and the governor in question has been misquoted/had quotes taken out of context. Shocker, I know. I'm sure the response is going to be something along the lines of "mainstream liberal media". I don't care.
    If you think the Governor has been misquoted, or deliberately misinterpreted, go to the man himself. Don't rely on interpretations. Pull up his exact words.
    He said the baby would be made comfortable while the doctor and mother would decide its fate. No misquoting there.

    And I suppose the New York Legislature were also misinterpreted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Spring harvest time in the troll farm, lads...
    Probably. I'm just correcting the record if anyone else happens by who doesn't have Mark hidden. I've no interest in engaging with him.
    Author of Never Felt Better (History, Film Reviews).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark12345 View Post
    I take it from your response that you do not believe what I've written?
    I have absolutely no reason to lie - it was all over American TV during the week.
    I won't benefit in way shape or form if you believe me or not.
    But for your own peace of mind, do your research and find out for yourself.
    See, there's your problem, you're looking at American TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    See, there's your problem, you're looking at American TV.
    There was a dude on Fox news the other day that is a self proclaimed Germ denier - and hasn't washed his hands in years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...t-pete-hegseth

    Not even a Waterford Wispers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    There was a dude on Fox news the other day that is a self proclaimed Germ denier - and hasn't washed his hands in years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...t-pete-hegseth

    Not even a Waterford Wispers.
    When people say "evolution is only a theory", I used to respond with "so is the theory of gravity and germ theory. That word does not mean what you seem to think it means".

    Then I hear that people like Flat Earthers and this guy exist, and are utterly beyond the reach of reason.

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    Visions of you, peadar, as Inigo Montoya lisping 'You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.'
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    See, there's your problem, you're looking at American TV.
    So if it's on American TV, it's not really believable? Nice, neat and convenient logic that is.

    Anyway, maybe this nurse is talking nonsense about a subject which supposedly doesn't exist, according to some people on here.

    Or maybe the Governor of New York (Cuomo) and the Cardinal of New York (Dolan) took time out of their schedules to talk about a subject which again, supposedly doesn't exist and is just for trolls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVi0FYPtRQg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kYAv8qKN0

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