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    What a strange ostrich-like view of the point I was trying to make. Do dalk simply refuse to countenance the fact that as you've lost your most successful manager and now have a rookie and an old timer (who's there in name only) in charge the absence of Kenny "could" have a negative effect on success for next season...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by placid casual View Post
    What a strange ostrich-like view of the point I was trying to make. Do dalk simply refuse to countenance the fact that as you've lost your most successful manager and now have a rookie and an old timer (who's there in name only) in charge the absence of Kenny "could" have a negative effect on success for next season...?
    Most (probably all) Dundalk fans would have preferred that SK stayed at the club. Any change in manager involves a risk, especially coming of the back of the level of success he has achieved. But it was not a one man job and the continuity in the management, coaching and players significantly mitigates the risks.

    It will take more than hoping for a fall off from Dundalk for any other club to have a serious tilt at the title and even if you are irked by that opinion, I think it an objective view.

    Is the opposite of "credible management" incredible management?

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    The bookies make us odds on favs to retain(10/11 with Boylesports btw) nobody else.
    Assessing the risk.
    Manager - was assistant to a very Successful manager for the 6 years
    Co-manager - ditto
    3ic - there for the badges.

    Players - basically the same squad that ran away with the league last year.

    Have other squads strengthened? 2nd haven't,3rd have a wee bit but not by 25 points.

    calculating ...............

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    Well just run through the list of successful assistants under fergie that have on to be successful managers.
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    Being an assistant in a successful team != becoming a successful manager.

    Continuity is really the only thing he has going for him.

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    I donít think those odds are anything less than expected. Dundalk may only have got two new players in, but with Murray and Connolly leaving and OíDonnell retiring I think Perth will look to recruit at least 2 more.

    Cork have weakened and will operate from a reduced budget, but still have nucleus of a decent enough team, Rovers have added some decent players but still without a decent front man.

    Thatís easily your top 3 with Waterford looking to maintain mantain a top 4 and possibly challenged by Pats if they gel quickly.

    Dundalk will be favs with most and I think thatís a fair reflection on the squad as it is now, I think we win win the league, but I do think it could be a lot tighter this year.

    I take the point above though, and it has been spoken locally, how itís rare that assistants anywhere really, do well, there are exceptions of course. I think the settled squad and better quality than the rest will be the difference, but VP and his team have a challenging year ahead of them, no mistake about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop View Post
    Well just run through the list of successful assistants under fergie that have on to be successful managers.
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    Being an assistant in a successful team != becoming a successful manager.

    Continuity is really the only thing he has going for him.
    How many of fergies assistants took over from him and managed the same group of players that he was familiar with? Poor example.

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    On the face of it the way Dundalk have sorted their management team for this season its hard to argue that it will greatly upset the whole vibe in the club.I think if Dundalk start well its their title again but if they start poorly then it will have the potential to create doubt and give belief to Cork Pats Rovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover View Post
    On the face of it the way Dundalk have sorted their management team for this season its hard to argue that it will greatly upset the whole vibe in the club.I think if Dundalk start well its their title again but if they start poorly then it will have the potential to create doubt and give belief to Cork Pats Rovers.
    A good start is always important for confidence and VP has got a fairly benign February start

    Maybe you should mark Friday 1 March in your diary as the 4th series in the league will see Dundalk travel to Tallaght

    At that stage the opening fixture will have been

    Dundalk
    Sligo Rovers (h)
    Finn Harps (a)
    UCD (h)


    Shamrocks
    Waterford (a)
    Derry City (h)
    Bohs (a)

    I'll have a banner with me at that match in case it's needed:

    "It's not working out, Enough is Enough"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover View Post
    On the face of it the way Dundalk have sorted their management team for this season its hard to argue that it will greatly upset the whole vibe in the club.I think if Dundalk start well its their title again but if they start poorly then it will have the potential to create doubt and give belief to Cork Pats Rovers.
    Worth considering the back up Dundalk have if this happens, Peak 6 have really only made funds available for one transfer so far, McEleney last summer, and I say if things are not going to plan they wont be slow to add more players in the summer.

    That 1st March date should be a cracker in Tallaght between Rovers and Dundalk, this is the 4th game of the season, so good test for both sides. Cork visiting Oriel Park end of March will be another in a month of big games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    A good start is always important for confidence and VP has got a fairly benign February start

    Maybe you should mark Friday 1 March in your diary as the 4th series in the league will see Dundalk travel to Tallaght

    At that stage the opening fixture will have been

    Dundalk
    Sligo Rovers (h)
    Finn Harps (a)
    UCD (h)


    Shamrocks
    Waterford (a)
    Derry City (h)
    Bohs (a)

    I'll have a banner with me at that match in case it's needed:

    "It's not working out, Enough is Enough"
    Surely a bit harsh on Perth after only 4 games ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calcio Jack View Post
    Surely a bit harsh on Perth after only 4 games ?
    No so sure about that CJ - we have become a very demanding bunch. If we have any less than 10 points going into the Tallaght match, he will be under pressure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    No so sure about that CJ - we have become a very demanding bunch. If we have any less than 10 points going into the Tallaght match, he will be under pressure
    10 points from 3 matches that isnít demanding itís delusional

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    Rovers fans lecturing on managers 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by outspoken View Post
    How many of fergies assistants took over from him and managed the same group of players that he was familiar with? Poor example.
    The point made was just that he was an assistant to a successful manager, the being at the same club wasn't mentioned. Familiarity with players isn't such a big factor to drastically change the results anyway, some people make great assistants but poor managers, Croly being a good LOI example, great assistant, poor manager, they're two very different jobs.

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    Rovers fans lecturing on managers 😂
    Up there with dundalk fans moaning about toilets in away ends.

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    So Dundalk fans remain steadfast in their demand for 10 points from the opening 3 games. If they don't they'll direct their ire at either Vinny Perth or the FAI. Either way, the petrol can has been ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bohsmug View Post
    So Dundalk fans remain steadfast in their demand for 10 points from the opening 3 games. If they don't they'll direct their ire at either Vinny Perth or the FAI. Either way, the petrol can has been ordered.
    On mature reflection, maybe 11 points is the more appropriate target.

    Vinny Perth or the FAI arn't the only possible target of our ire if things don't go our way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Bizarre odds for the two promoted teams. Not going to win the league obviously, but shouldn't be as far adrift as those odds suggest

    I agree with you there, i would put UCD at 7th behind Pats in the bookies list (i would have Pats higher) .
    Obviously a lot of recruiting for all teams to be done before we can start making firm predictions

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    Time for a new thread?

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    Pat's into 9/1 for the prem division.
    dundalk 4/5
    shams 3/1
    cork 9/2
    pats 9/1
    25's and better the rest.


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    Very generous odds for Limerick to win the FD at 16/1, joint fourth with Longford. Someone at PP isn't paying attention.
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