Racism

[pineapple stu]

It's an improvement on your previous posts tets, but it's still not great.

The player, the FAI and the gardai have taken a different view

They have, yep; fair enough. Doesn't necessarily make it so, but it is relevant.

Yes, because you could shout that at any player. Telling a player to go to Jamaica is a clear reference to the colour of his skin, and is not something you would shout at Shane Duffy, for example

But I gave the example of shouting "Go play for the North" at Darron Gibson. Is that racist? If not, why is it different? I think you could be imputing stuff that may or mayn't be there.

Lynching is not historically associated with attacks on white men, so no, you're not entitled to claim it's a racist attack on you.

I didn't claim it's a racist attack on me. (Or on Christie) I'm claiming it's a threat against me. That's the point I'm making. I said treating a threat against me differently because I'm not black would be racist. Which it would be.

No, you don't. And until it's clearly an attack on you based on your race, you don't get to claim otherwise.

I argued the comment was racist towards white people (my race). I was being a bit facetious (hence the smiley), but it was mainly to show up your ignorant comment that only one side can decide what is/isn't racist.

Did you go online for the first time yesterday?

Not entirely sure if you have a point here?

I'm not aware of any threats to other players, can you give an example of one, and how they were treated differently?

Why does it have to be players? I wasn't talking about players - I was talking about people. Do you think this is the first time someone's been threatened on the internet? Do you think threats should be treated differently based on the colour of the person being threatened?

[backstothewall]

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.

Something similar applies here. I know racism when i see it, and this was racism. The culprit appears to be in England though so a report to AGS will achieve bugger all as no offence was committed on Irish territory

[Charlie Darwin]

BTTW just upped the intellectual level of this forum by about 1000% with that.

[Fizzer]

Is that correct re jurisdiction though Walsall?,is the offence committed in the territory that it’s sent or received?or possibly both?could he be technically extradited? In any event,the Uk authorities seem more draconian than ours for this type of stuff so outcome-wise for him,it could be a more severe sanction in the Uk.

[OwlsFan]

isms in my opinion, are not good.

For the most part I think you're correct, apart of course from altruism

[DeLorean]

For the most part I think you're correct, apart of course from altruism

It there really such a thing? - https://youtu.be/DowJfUmlzeI?t=1m5s

[tetsujin1979]

For the most part I think you're correct, apart of course from altruism

Watch more movies OF: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/quotes/qt0441220

[tricky_colour]

Is that correct re jurisdiction though Walsall?,is the offence committed in the territory that it’s sent or received?or possibly both?could he be technically extradited? In any event,the Uk authorities seem more draconian than ours for this type of stuff so outcome-wise for him,it could be a more severe sanction in the Uk.

Free speech should not be an offence where ever you are, nobody ever died because of free speech million have died because of censorship.

Communication is not a crime!!

[Fizzer]

I assume tricky the above two posts are you kidding around.....

[Fizzer]

But if not you’re wrong on both counts,some types of communication are in fact crimes covered by incitement to hatred laws etc..,also it would not be an act of war if it’s a citizen acting the mickey and not state-sanctioned.jesus I wish we qualified for that World Cup

[tricky_colour]

I assume tricky the above two posts are you kidding around.....

No serious, maybe not war, provided the person could be extradited. There are other solutions, prisoner exchange etc...

But really I am sure there are better things to waste public money one than policing tweets surely?

Free speech is a right of course, a human right on which all human rights depend.

If free speech offends you move somewhere where they do not have it, you will find plenty moving the other way!

[tricky_colour]

But if not you’re wrong on both counts,some types of communication are in fact crimes covered by incitement to hatred laws etc..,also it would not be an act of war if it’s a citizen acting the mickey and not state-sanctioned.jesus I wish we qualified for that World Cup

Well they may be crimes but they shouldn't be.

"incitement to hatred" is a ridiculous concept! Emotions are not a crime!! And they are yours nobody else's!

The best protection against hatred is free speech.

If I say go and hate so and so are you going to do it? Of course not. It is the most ridiculous law.

[pineapple stu]

But really I am sure there are better things to waste public money one than policing tweets surely?

Watch the John Oliver section on online harassment, where tweets and other abuse has driven people to the point of suicide and beyond, and tell me if you still agree with the above. It's on YouTube; can't link from mobile I think

Free speech with no limits absolutely does not exist

[OwlsFan]

Ted Walsh was sailing close to the wind last night in "Greatest Irish Sporting Moments" of the 1960s/70s. He said John Tracy looked like a Biafran while the Soviet players in the team we stuffed 3-0 looked all the same. Incidentally, that game came last behind Dublin/Kerry semi-final, Arkle, John Tracy and NZ vs All Black which walked away with almost 48%. I was one of the 6% who voted for Givens' hat trick unlike Brian Kerr, one of the panelists, who voted for John Tracy I think.

However, football has given us the greatest moments of both the 1980s and 1990s, according to the voting public. Ray Houghton's goal in Stuttgart in '88 and the victorious penalty shootout against Romania in 1990 have been crowned the greatest moment of their respective decades.

[tricky_colour]

Watch the John Oliver section on online harassment, where tweets and other abuse has driven people to the point of suicide and beyond, and tell me if you still agree with the above. It's on YouTube; can't link from mobile I think

Free speech with no limits absolutely does not exist

What John Oliver section?


No sane person has ever been driven to the point of suicide and if you are planning legislation for the insane then you'd be insane too.

Free speech with no limits does exist by definition as you can't censor what you have not read.

IF it did not kill the censor it won't kill you either.

Free speech should be absolute and the more free speech you have the better society will be.

Nobody ever died because of free speech.

Million died because of censorship and still do.

[tricky_colour]

Eh? If the rascist abuse of a fellow Irish citizen offends me then I should move away? Have you totally lost your reason Tricky? Your basic position is that you support this guys right to abuse Christie over Christie's right to play football for his country without being abused because of his ethnic background. To say that people cannot be incited to hatred is beyond stupid, history has clearly shown the contrary........there was this fella once .......in Germany.....
The notion of one's behaviour influencing others is a long-standing and well established principle in the criminal justice system e.g. for section 6 Public Order, colloquially known as breach of the peace, the behaviour that you're engaged in has to 'provoke' or be likely to provoke a breach of the peace i.e. in another person, for the offence to be committed.
What if we weren't talking about an adult on a football pitch what if it's a five year old kid, you're all for people racially abusing them in the name of 'free speech'? You clearly don't even understand the concept.

No what I am saying is you could move to North Korea if you do not like speech but of course you would not cos life
without free speech is a hell hole, that is the point I was making.

You have every right to be offended!! Enjoy that right!!

Surely you are not that delicate that words can offend you so much? How do you cope in real life? Where people can say WTF they
like and you have no nanny to protect your delicate ears?

I literally, how did you make it through live thus far whilst experiencing the free speech that exists in reality?

I support the guys right to say what he like 100%.

Cyrus has not died, he is still alive.

Try inciting me to hate Cryus? You can't cos am not ret*rded.

You can't leglislate for idiots, you don't need too, the only people they are a danger to are themselves.

Oh and that fella in German he was not fan of free speech, so you have a lot in common you share many of the same characteristics, the use of violence to silence others.#

The law is an ass. it is there to keep the elite in power and free from criticism.

Yes of course I am all for a 5 year old being "abused" by free speech.

What do you think is going to happen to him when he grows up?

Melt like a snow flake, the 5 year old likely could not give a **** anyway, people tend to be more sensible at that age.

It is not a kinder garden is it?

There nothing you could say to me that would upset me in any way.

[osarusan]

Are you drunk or something?

[tricky_colour]

Are you drunk or something?

I'm something.

[pineapple stu]

What John Oliver section?

Ok... I think we're through the looking glass here. I'm just going to, you know, google it for you and leave the link here...

[tricky_colour]

Ok... I think we're through the looking glass here. I'm just going to, you know, google it for you and leave the link here...

Yea that is what you do, and then post the link.


Pretty simple really!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNIwYsz7PI

Seems to me mainly about women and revenge porn for which there are laws now but of course
the solution is not to make porn videos of yourself.