Mayo Junior Soccer

[Le Grande Eric]

It won't just be Pat Duffy and the rest mentioned who will rue the desicion to opt out of under 21s, the whole of Mayo soccer could suffer. If the FAI decides no regional Centre no FAS development squad, no more pilot projects. We could become the lepers of Irish Football

Definatley a backward step not to continue with u 21,but remember there are Players who have a lot to answer for. The whole debacle of a dedicated squad came about in a misguided attempt to solve an older problem..Mayo unable to field a full team Remember Mayo travelling to Derry with only 10 players (out of 40 registered)in 2003? Same story in 2004 A goalkeepker playing upfront against Monaghan to maake up 11. Mayo manager said that the structure must be right from top to bottom It's clearly not right at the top but what's the point of putting resources into something Players have no interrest in?

[renovater]

has the boro any date for the match against cc in the replay of aib cup game....if its after xmas will kelly be eligble?....january 1st an all that...has the boro taken a couple of players from celtic and lost keeper to ballina..if so can he play in celtic game? cant see boro beating the hoops after watching super cup final...a good celtic win on sunday next will make it a good xmas. seasons greetings to one and all

Don’t know if a date is set it was to be played in December it’s looking more like January 2006.before they will be able to play The A.I.B. Cup
Regards to availability of C Kelly, or any other player being able to play after 1st January. The answer is no only player that was signed up to 31st December 2005.
Only other time if THE FAI granted extension of the season, players who may sign 24hrs before last game. But it would reconsider the season runs from 1st Jan to 31Dec.
Regards to transfers players have to be sign by 31st July to play in local competition
Regards to the 1st January that’s an urban myth which was written in the Connaught Telegraph by Tom Kelly
Transfers out side Mayo League Competition ie F.A.I. or Conn Cup 31st January 2006
I think that should explain who can play and who can not Only registered player’s in 2005 can play in 2005 competition

[renovater]

Regards to the development U-21 team yes I would have to agree with the sentiments that the one person who worked so hard in involving Mayo League was Pat Duffy and from the League Joe Butler who no longer is involved.
The decision to enter a U-21 team had to be supported and passed by the clubs at the time it was clear that no player would lose dual player status so it was accepted.

There no one stopping the Mayo League in putting a U-21 team into Eircom League or any club who feels they can afford to fund it.
You must remember The Mayo League is using funds that has been given by there clubs i.e. Club Affiliations and players Registration to fund the team Manager and the U-21
It’s my view that the league should have only 1 block vote the same as clubs on any issue regards to this one if the clubs don’t support it then you won’t be able to force the issue.
So were did it go wrong?
THE League is the source of the problem two years ago they were having problems with fielding teams because that were clashing with club games the offender at the time was Westport.
It’s my view the league wanted fixtures played on time Westport wanted its players for its games there was no compromise Westport were drag in to meeting got slap across the wrist the league could have applied Rule 35 and aloud Westport players to play for Mayo, and refix the fixtures.
I some time think the power base of players weren’t from a wider range of clubs or the lack of interest by some clubs
Regards to its Leadership the blame waves heavily on his shoulders as a leader he was only concerned in his own interest rather than clubs, as he stated at a recent club delegates meeting the letter that was directed towards the clubs regarding Rule 35 will be adhered to. His comments to that letter at the delegates meeting were null and void. Not the usual way to respond to letter that was not agreed to my clubs or the L.M.C. Or to force clubs that it had the right to take players as designated squad without agreement. Then went as far to tell Leo Tierney the league had been given permission that players were given first choice over there clubs as to which he Leo admitted at a recent club delegates meeting. He also stated that it had to be right from top to bottom; even he was now pointing the finger towards the top table
The negative is FAS is subject to any new Fas course being given to MileBush. I doubt it would apply to excising one. Tell me how many local players are involved in the FAS Program I doubt there are two many I think you have to be involved in a Eircom League Club please correct me if I am wrong but I doubt it.
Regards to The Regional Centre it has no bearing on the matter that is about the facilities at Milebush and its location. Mayo Football will always be a force with or without a U-21 TEAM. Its is an advantage to give up coming players a greater experience to play at higher level but the down side is we need to be winning these games not at the wrong end of the table.
Can we put it right?
We have Choices to make are we happy with the way the Mayo League chairman handle the whole affair? even his own members are not happy in his handling of the vote situation even Tom Kelly ask for a rethink which fell on deaf ears at the last delegate’s meeting J.De has publicly told one club he blames the top table. So before we start blaming our clubs the Mayo League needs to get its house in order. By starting to understand its rules and imply them properly
Can we get back on track the answer is yes
The Mayo League would need to forget about designated squad and have a broader base squad extent its season to December from September to allow players to play with there clubs they need to put a new blue print to working with clubs interest at heart. And forget any hidden agenda’s it may have.

[Thunderblaster]

Out of the clubs that voted no, did any of them go to an Eircom U.21 game? Were the players consulted on their opinions? Heard that Keith Noone of Erris United gave his appraisal to the concept. Some players that played in the competition have gone on to play with the full Eircom League teams this season. Everybody should realise that every player is entitled to fulfill their footballing ambitions.

[renovater]

Out of the clubs that voted no, did any of them go to an Eircom U.21 game? Were the players consulted on their opinions? Heard that Keith Noone of Erris United gave his appraisal to the concept. Some players that played in the competition have gone on to play with the full Eircom League teams this season. Everybody should realise that every player is entitled to fulfill their footballing ambitions.

by all account the that attented any u-21 game was always poor you could offen count them in one hand.
players them self offen had no interest in playing good luck to any player who goes off and beter them self but I don't no to many this season but I sure there has been a influx of players coming to our league from the eircom. surly that says alot about our league.
yes ur right but not at the expense of our super league clubs no U-21 TEAM MANAGER SHOULD TELL A CLUB WHO HE CAN'T PLAY ON ANY GIVEN MATCH
The clubs didn't cause the problem the league did.

[galactico]

thanks renovater...thats cleared that up for me....was at the mayo u18 match today at milebush..there was at least 12 people watching not a great way to support the future of mayo soccer..{nb}joe butler may not be officially involved with mayo league but he attends ot training sessions goes to all matches..and shows great support for all soccer in mayo...he should still be chairman in my opinion...

[GoodFootball]

If it was run correctly, ie the right players being chosen then it would have been a sucess (Last year only it was run badly). I used to look at the teamsheets and laugh because some of the players were sub standard, no offence meant but there are better players out there. Maybe holding yearly trials should have adopted instead of the crack of picking players who played for mayo u-13's etc. I know a few lads who are quality but never got picked despite being main players in teams: Ballyheane(1), Westport(1), Fahy Rovers(2), Castlebar Celtic(3) - surprise, Boro(1). Delegates from them clubs have an idea themselves who they are, its ridiculous but I guess thats football, not what you know....

[GoodFootball]

With reference to Renovators page long post above:

z z z... No disrespect but this post is too long, have to say you make good points though!!

Celtic should put an U-21 team in, god knows GD could buy enough talent to make it good, could be a way forward??? What ya think?

[itisnow]

With reference to Renovators page long post above:

z z z... No disrespect but this post is too long, have to say you make good points though!!

Celtic should put an U-21 team in, god knows GD could buy enough talent to make it good, could be a way forward??? What ya think?

Totaly agree with you post to long to wade through and argue.

On Celtic entering an under 21 team, cost factors alone would mitigate against this.

Surely it is still not too late to come up with a plan that would accomadate both club and player ambitions (with the emphasis on players playing at the highest standard avaiable to them).

[Le Grande Eric]

Out of the clubs that voted no, did any of them go to an Eircom U.21 game? Were the players consulted on their opinions? Heard that Keith Noone of Erris United gave his appraisal to the concept. Some players that played in the competition have gone on to play with the full Eircom League teams this season. Everybody should realise that every player is entitled to fulfill their footballing ambitions.

D'ont think Keith Noone would have been at the meeting it was for club chairmren&secretaries or committee members

I agree fully that every player should fulfill their potential but there was not enough of the committed to Mayo u21 over the past three seasons

With regard to attendances;Whole concept was poorly marketed by MAFL Did any one even see a poster for an u21 match anywhere?

[renovater]

thanks renovater...thats cleared that up for me....was at the mayo u18 match today at milebush..there was at least 12 people watching not a great way to support the future of mayo soccer..{nb}joe butler may not be officially involved with mayo league but he attends ot training sessions goes to all matches..and shows great support for all soccer in mayo...he should still be chairman in my opinion...

could'nt agree more Iwas to be there but I was at xmas party that extented too the next day Isent My appolgy's to chairman's yts not that I was to be expected to be there just as a suporter WELL DONE TO THEM tough match by all accounts

[renovater]

thanks renovater...thats cleared that up for me....was at the mayo u18 match today at milebush..there was at least 12 people watching not a great way to support the future of mayo soccer..{nb}joe butler may not be officially involved with mayo league but he attends ot training sessions goes to all matches..and shows great support for all soccer in mayo...he should still be chairman in my opinion...

could'nt agree more Iwas to be there but I was at xmas party that extented too the next day Isent by appolgy's to chairman's yts not that I was to be expected to be there just as a suporter WELL DONE TO THEM tough match by all accounts

[renovater]

If it was run correctly, ie the right players being chosen then it would have been a sucess (Last year only it was run badly). I used to look at the teamsheets and laugh because some of the players were sub standard, no offence meant but there are better players out there. Maybe holding yearly trials should have adopted instead of the crack of picking players who played for mayo u-13's etc. I know a few lads who are quality but never got picked despite being main players in teams: Ballyheane(1), Westport(1), Fahy Rovers(2), Castlebar Celtic(3) - surprise, Boro(1). Delegates from them clubs have an idea themselves who they are, its ridiculous but I guess thats football, not what you know....

Well Good football
will you name your starting 11 but uR right to sugest it was run badly

[renovater]

With reference to Renovators page long post above:

z z z... No disrespect but this post is too long, have to say you make good points though!!

Celtic should put an U-21 team in, god knows GD could buy enough talent to make it good, could be a way forward??? What ya think?

I NO BUT IT IS INPORTANT NOT TO LEAVE WHAT I THINK ARE THE PROBLEMS
RATHER THAN WATER THEM DOWN
BUT I TAKE YOUR POINT

[renovater]

Totaly agree with you post to long to wade through and argue.

On Celtic entering an under 21 team, cost factors alone would mitigate against this.

Surely it is still not too late to come up with a plan that would accomadate both club and player ambitions (with the emphasis on players playing at the highest standard avaiable to them).

ITS NEVER TO LATE BUT ITS IMPORTANT THAT WE DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES

[swinfordfc]

Manulla unlucky in game against Athenry untill the pens. Athenry keeper must be good.

Good Win (facile) for Celtic but got tough draw against Carew Park.
Westport tough draw again St. Peters to and i dont know alot about Ballyheane opposition.

Also congrats to Mayo under 18 beating Sligo 2-0 to keep they chances alive, have to beat Donegal in January. was at the game some great players Mayo have.

[l.f.c......]

hi lads
this is a draw neither team wanted i say two very good teams it should be a cracker. how are ye going this season has dykes done his magic with ye?? i heard ye also have a great respect and love for wesport and there manager that said on 2fm yesterday you only get one chance on the day ( ya right)

[renovater]

hi lads
this is a draw neither team wanted i say two very good teams it should be a cracker. how are ye going this season has dykes done his magic with ye?? i heard ye also have a great respect and love for wesport and there manager that said on 2fm yesterday you only get one chance on the day ( ya right)

what ever about the draw carrew will be getting out the rule book if they were to lose this one

[short_frank]

With regard to the U21 debacle the problem also stemmed from the picking of players from the fashionable clubs to represent Mayo. The lower leagues have some damn fine young players but they are not looked at even when Mayo were crying out for players (eg. playing a goal keeper up front).
I am involved with a lower league team and have come across some exceptionally talented players who chose to play with their home team but because of this never get a chance of even a call up. When was Leo or any of his coaching staff at a lower league game?
This has been the way throughout Mayo soccer. I was involved with an unfashionable club a few years ago which won the league and cup double U16 for two years running but we were told (by a member of the Mayo U16 coaching panel) that none of the players were good enough to represent Mayo even though one is now playing Eircom league and two represented Ireland underage (one the same year he was told he wasn't good enough for Mayo).
If we got rid of this elitist attitude maybe then Mayo soccer would have a chance of fielding an U21 team in the future.

[swinfordfc]

With regard to the U21 debacle the problem also stemmed from the picking of players from the fashionable clubs to represent Mayo. The lower leagues have some damn fine young players but they are not looked at even when Mayo were crying out for players (eg. playing a goal keeper up front).
I am involved with a lower league team and have come across some exceptionally talented players who chose to play with their home team but because of this never get a chance of even a call up. When was Leo or any of his coaching staff at a lower league game?
This has been the way throughout Mayo soccer. I was involved with an unfashionable club a few years ago which won the league and cup double U16 for two years running but we were told (by a member of the Mayo U16 coaching panel) that none of the players were good enough to represent Mayo even though one is now playing Eircom league and two represented Ireland underage (one the same year he was told he wasn't good enough for Mayo).
If we got rid of this elitist attitude maybe then Mayo soccer would have a chance of fielding an U21 team in the future.

Thats a very good point which is very true here in Mayo.