Mayo Junior Soccer

**The Don** · 13/07/2005, 1:09 PM

Glad that mossy could join us again, must have been on his hols. Yes it looks likely the heane shall lose a point. But please dont refer to it as abusing the ref as it was more like denting his ego. I have never seen a referee write so many reports, the league will have to open a libary to store them in. I think the Wesport lads will know who Im on about. Teachers eh!!!!

**gnasher** · 13/07/2005, 2:13 PM

Gnasher says: The don, any chance of your mafioso boys taking that ref for a walk in concrete shoes? Only messing, we have to just get on with it I guess.

On the subject of the Mayo League Administration committee, I agree totally with Mossy, the dinosaurs have to go, new blood with an idea of what is good for all football clubs in Mayo and not just focussed the reputation of the Mayo League itself is needed. After all, what is the league without it's clubs?

The under 21 and Oscar Traynor dictats have only served to copper fasten the bad feeling betwen clubs and administrators and has also shown they are way out of touch.

Let's march on Milebush!!!

**short_frank** · 14/07/2005, 12:47 AM

Was talking to a "well known" referee at the weekend and he was telling me that things are getting so bad with certain clubs that there is talk of boycotts. I also heard that Martin Roughneen is talking about calling it a day because of abuse.

We really need to sort out the referee problem. There are players and officials that I have seen giving totally uncalled for abuse because they don't agree with decisions. I have been on the end of bad refereeing decisions myself eg:- a player from my club was being booked and while this was happening and play had stopped the opposing team took a free and put it in the net and the referee gave the goal.
We turned up to a once big club in our away shirts and they were the same colour as the other club who didn't have a second kit and the referee allowed the game to go ahead even telling us that we were wrong because we didn't bring a second kit with us.

The one thing though that I would never do is direct abuse at the ref because lets face it who else will do the job, most certainly not me. How do we solve the problems arising and keep the few ref's we have.

**gnasher** · 14/07/2005, 7:17 AM

Short Frank - Mr. Roughneen should give up the game if his heart is no longer in it. If you're not passionate about soccer and your club then you probably will get on very well with the typr of referee we have in Mayo. Lets face it, some of them are damn well useless.

The aforementioned senor has his bad days also, I have seen him on more than one occasion fail to give decisions to teams which they were blatantly entitled to. I'm talking Blind Man stuff here, you could decide because of the sound of the 'challenge' alone, you would'nt have needed to see it.

There are probably a few who can get up and down the pitch with the pace of the game and that is a big factor, you can see more and are closer to the action, the result : more correct decisions, less hassle from fans and players, everyone happy.

I would always stop short of abusing the ref in a personal manner but I think arguing or roaring because a decision has gone against you is part of every sport. It's not like the ref is going into the game not knowing that he may get hassle depending on his decisions, they are getting paid for it as well, more often than not by the fans who pay to come see the match.

It's fair to say we give most ref's a bad time but i think their performances should be reviewed and if they are seen to be incompetent for bigger games they can be sent to Lacken or Kilmore every other sunday as punishment, there has to be accountability in every profession, be it part-time or not.

**swinfordfc** · 14/07/2005, 10:08 AM

Erris lost under 18 connacht semi final last night to sligo rovers last night 2-0 shame that hope they win it but that how it goes

**OscarBravo** · 14/07/2005, 1:06 PM

You're right, there's probably not enough talk about other divisions.
Re: collaspe of Urlaur and Ballyvary. Urlaur are an old team with no new players coming on stream in what is a small area. It was always going to happen. Pity though all the same.
Ballyvary came down from a bad year in the Super League and lost a lot of players. Their best player, Declan Flynn, went to Snugboro, Joe Denilson will testify to his worth. Also they lost Cormac Jennings back to Manulla, Gary Costello to S & F and Colm Carney to retirement to name just some. They seem to have a very young team this year but will struggle to stay in the Premier. However the club as a whole is going well so there won't be any Urlaur type collapse.
Derek Glynn I presume is one of the Claremorris strikers? Well he is good enough for Super League so putting him in among Division One defences is akin to throwing a fox into a chicken shed.
It will be very interesting yet to see who gets promoted from Premier. ****** B will take the title but, save for a change in rules, they will not be promoted. I think Ballyglass and possibly Fahy could be the teams to watch. However I don't know if either are ready for the Super league and the teams getting relegated from the Super, likely Swinford and Glenhest at this stage, will probably come straight back up in their place (thats if Glenhest can keep their players).

**Closed Account** · 14/07/2005, 9:16 PM

Gnasher says: "the 'boro are a cup team this year now because ye are safe from the drop."

Westaro Super Cup Semi-Final
Ballyheane 0-2 Snugboro United

I have to say I was slightly offended by the term "cup team". Maybe Snugboro came into this league with no more expectations than survival and maybe a good cup run. But ambitions can change. Snugboro have beaten nearly every side in the league this season, and have only lost twice, and both of those by the odd goal in three. Snugboro are looking at this league exactly the same as other sides in the shake-up, and that is, a Westport collapse aside, no one else has a chance. As you said yourself, the league table doesn't lie and Snugboro are a lot more than a cup team.

**Closed Account** · 15/07/2005, 1:30 AM

And the Celts beat the Manulla, Manulla, Manulla 1-0 so it's an all Castlebar final on the 14th of October? That was when it was scheduled at the start of the season?

"Ballyvary came down from a bad year in the Super League and lost a lot of players. Their best player, Declan Flynn, went to Snugboro, Joe Denilson will testify to his worth."

Too true Oscar, Declan Flynn has been brilliant this year. And Michael Wallace the keeper has been world class. He pulled off two of the best saves I've ever seen in person against Ballyheane last night.

Derek Glynn and Danny Broderick are the Claremorris strikers aren't they? I remember Derek was brilliant when on the Mayo U-21 panel a couple of years ago. Claremorris pipped Snugboro to Premier Division promotion 3 years ago. Shows how much progress the Boro have made. Would Glynn ever leave Claremorris?

The only reason Division 2B seems to be competitive is because of the lack of quality. For anyone to drop points to Castlebar United or Swinford B is a problem. Partry seem to be the only good side in it.

Anyway I'm off to convalesce for another while.

**gnasher** · 15/07/2005, 8:05 AM

Gnasher says; Joe, you stay up really late at night to have a pop at me. I apologise if my statement that 'snugboro are a good cup team this year' offended you. Some teams in the mayo league would cut off their left ones to get a pop at the final. I always said I hope ye go on and win it but will you get mad at me if I say your team then may have a great chance of glory in the connacht cup? Get over yourself.

One good run in the super league does not make a good team.
Seems like ye have pinched a few players from other sides anyway, so do you have a team full of 'real' snugboro players? Or are ye as bad as the hoops over the road?

So much for friendly fire.

**swinfordfc** · 15/07/2005, 9:49 AM

hey boro man

With regards to division 2b as you said any team is bad by losing points to swinford b well party lost twice to swinford b 4 - 2 in partry in league and 5-1 in one leg of mcdonnell cup so be abit more respectable

well done to snugboro in reaching westaro super cup final now go on and win it no good reaching a final in my book!!!!!

any results on the super league games play last night?

**swinfordfc** · 15/07/2005, 9:51 AM

oh another thing boro man

i do believe swinford b did beat snugboro b in AIB Cup game in snugboro 4 -1 earlier in this season too

**gnasher** · 15/07/2005, 10:04 AM

Gnasher says; Bet snugboro b are not being defended with as much zest as the a's by mister denilson. Figures.

Westport 4 - 3 Ballina Town.

Lucky escape for the port guys. Still ravaged with injuries, 2 zip down at half time, five goals in second half. Vinny O'Malley netted winner form all of a yard from a corner in the last minute of injury time. the place went bezerk. Unlucky on Ballina, definitely deserved the draw.

See that Joe, some teams do come and play football in westport.

Enough of that now, I'm doing a few predictions if ye don't mind.

Ballina 1 - 1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 2 - 1 Snugboro
Manulla 5 - 0 Swinford
S&F 4 - 1 Glenhest
Westport 1 - 0 Erris Utd

**The Don** · 15/07/2005, 10:11 AM

Ballina 2 - 1 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1 - 1 Snugboro
Manulla 3 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 1 Glenhest
Westport 2 - 0 Erris Utd

Joe have you watched the quality of football being played in your b teams division this year hardly premiership stuff! Anyway the standard of nearly all but a handfull of teams outside the super league is on a par and the gap is growing.

**swinfordfc** · 15/07/2005, 10:23 AM

so westport bet ballina last night wasn't there another game last night? anyone a result on it?

**swinfordfc** · 15/07/2005, 10:24 AM

Ballina 1 - 2 Castlebar
Ballyheane 1 - 2 Snugboro
Manulla 2 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 0 Glenhest
Westport 2 - 0 Erris Utd

**OscarBravo** · 15/07/2005, 1:30 PM

Haven't done it in weeks so am way off but sure I'll give it another go

Ballina Town 2-3 ******
Ballyheane 1-1 Snugboro
Manulla 4-1 Swinford
S & F 2-0 Glenhest
Westport 3-0 Erris

PS
Think a few of ye are being harsh on Denilson. Snugboro are a small club and for them to be in the Super League at all is a fair achievement, for them to be competitive in same makes them second only to Westport in terms of achievement this year.
Can't wait for the mother and father of Westaro Cup finals too.
As for accusations of them 'taking players' I do believe players are allowed play for whoever they want. ****** have players from outside the town, Westport have two new guys in Harney and Quigley, S & F have Fergal O'Hara from Sligo and Erris even recruited Crossmolina's Brian Benson last year. Ballyheane have Joey Maloney, Manulla Michael D McNamara and Des Campbell, need I go on? It the way of the world

**Closed Account** · 15/07/2005, 2:02 PM

Sorry Gnasher, I wasn't trying to stir anything. I can't help it if I take offence from the term "cup team". You have since changed to "good cup team" which might not have offended me in the first place. Well done to Westport last night. Your assessment that we didn't play football against ye in Westport is correct, however we had a few injuries aswell and we certainly didn't go out with the intention of camping in our own half. It was just the way the game panned out. And we adapted our game to get the best result we could. It was different the next night when we went deservedly 3-0 up.

Division 2A is probably worse than 2B to be fair, at least 2B is competitive. It's been tough to defend the Boro B team lately, i mean they lost to Hollister. When they lost to Swinford B, they only had 9 players as the A Team called up players to avoid them being cup tied and in the end the manager ended up playing centre back. Swinford did play well that day though. But why did they lose 4-0 to Castlebar United at home?

Do people think that clubs should only play players who live in the area? It's definately a good idea in underage. But with the gap between Super League and the rest getting bigger(****** A Vs B!), shouldn't the best players in Mayo all be playing in the Super League? It's interesting the Limerick Junior League have started a thread called "transfer rumours" because of the amount of transfers in the close season of their league. And the LDMC is widely viewed as the best junior league in the country. Everybody in the Boro B team is from the Boro and hopefully they will graduate to the A Team in following seasons.

Anyway I won't be posting under the influence any more if this is the sort of reaction I get.

Predictions:
Ballina 3 - 2 Castlebar
Ballyheane 0 - 2 Snugboro
Manulla 3 - 0 Swinford
S&F 2 - 0 Glenhest
Westport 1 - 1 Erris Utd

**gnasher** · 15/07/2005, 2:24 PM

Gnasher says: Hey joe, no bother mon. I was only having a cheeky dig as is my nature. If i'd had known I was gonna get my knuckles wrapped by Monsieur Oscar then I would have kept my mouth shut. After all, we are on this forum to discuss our respective teams in the best league in Connacht so if it gets a little *****ly at times that is only healthy for the forum. reading some posts on other threads you'd think we were a crowd of sissies sometimes, but not all the time.

Gnasher was put on this forum to stir it up. Again, not all the time.

Apologies if I insulted anyone or their respective teams. About time someone from Castelbar Hoops got involved on this thread so I can have a nemesis!

if you know of anyone interested, let them know!

**The Don** · 15/07/2005, 3:31 PM

I think your chances of getting one of the ****** boys on here are slim gnasher. Remember they only sing when their winning!

**FahyForever** · 15/07/2005, 8:20 PM

Good to see more interest in the other divisions in the league being generated! Fahy had a really good 3-1 win over Killala on Thursday night which leaves them clear 2nd in the Premier. The division is interesting in that a lot of teams seen capable of taking points off each other but nobody apart from the 'B boys can sustain any sort of long-term consistency. Some of the replies people sent to my query on opinions regarding the difference in standards between the divisions were very accurate; to do it in the Super league, you have to be able to mix it up a bit. Snugboro are perfect examples; we played them in a Mayo cup semi-final which we lost on penalties and felt there was very little between us, but they were the only team we had played who matched our desire. They were totally up for it and never lost concentration or let their energy levels flag. It's difficult not to respect them, and their performances in the Super league have only reinforced upon teams in our division what is really required to stay up once you get there. The alarming thing is that the top division seems to be improving every year. A trip to Snugboro next season seems a lot more imposing than a trip to Glenhest. There is a pattern emerging recently in Mayo, in which teams start to go in one direction and then gather momentum. We have won two divisions in three years and are hopeful of promotion. Mulranny have gone up twice in a row. Achill and Ballyvary have gone the other direction. It would be exceptionally difficult for a team coming out of the premier to stay up, but having fitness, hunger,and a good team spirit is a sound start.

Derek Glynn from Claremorris is scoring goals for fun in the 1st division, but it might prove tougher next year. He uses quick thinking and pace to beat defenders and invariably bears in on goal. It's effective, but smarter defenders might catch on early in the game.