QuoteYeah he was. Noticed this on the news Wednesday evening when they were showing Robbie's goal. It was a graphic at the top of the screen as the ball was being pumped down field.Originally Posted by jbyrne
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once actually as an example of how McCarthy got the best out of his squad.
in the 3 matches you refer to 1-0 (w), 1-1 and 1-1. Thats 2 goals conceded against 3 of the best teams around at the time. Stan cant have been that bad at ctre half so.
think he may have been man of the match against germany but need to check that one out
edit:
3 goals in 4 matches. not 2 in 3 as stated
Last edited by jbyrne; 23/11/2018 at 2:32 PM.
Yeah he was. Noticed this on the news Wednesday evening when they were showing Robbie's goal. It was a graphic at the top of the screen as the ball was being pumped down field.
JB, I'm fair on here to all, and I don't hold grudges or the like. I concede a point if I'm wrong or out of order. I should have wrote "twice" instead of "a few times".
Do you honestly think that Steve Staunton played well for Ireland against Netherlands, Cameroon and Spain, regardless of the number of goals we conceded? It's a simple question.
I do not remember Staunton playing well against Germany. But we were on the front foot and played well as a team, so I could be wrong.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
At the time I remember feeling that we should have been playing Cunningham at centre back, and John O'Shea (who wasn't in the squad, madness) at left back.
Harte and Stan were both a bit of a liability at the World Cup. (Have a look at the goals we conceded, the opponents had identified the Harte/Stan weak spot).
Mick gave a lot of players a chance after Jack, but once he had established his team he was very stubborn about introducing new players.
Last edited by brine3; 23/11/2018 at 2:52 PM.
Mick (or even Sam Allardyce) and Kenny's credentials are light years apart. Kenny would be a complete risk appointment, has generally only managed at LOI level while Mick knows International football, knows what qualifiers are about and has a good record in the English leagues. They are poles apart in my opinion. Delaney will easily go for Mick in a toss up between the two but will give Kenny an interview to pass him.
Last edited by TrapAPony; 23/11/2018 at 3:03 PM.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
Brian Kerr didn’t do the coaching when in charge of the senior team it was Chris Hughton. This time I think we should go for a more hands on manager, Kerr loved doing video analysis (boring players to death if I recall correctly? Was it Dunne who said that?) but that is not the same as coaching and working on the training ground. Liam a tad before my time. We need to teach these players shape, passing and have a plan. That was the argument used against MO’N so I want to go the other direction.
McCarthy will do the smoozing and be seen & interviewed across the country but will still be relying on Conner to do the training. We’ve had that countless times. A ‘name’. The quick win.
If Hughton was available & interested I’d be happy with him but not to be.
I agree Big Sam should not be considered. His style of football won’t be an easy watch and won’t take long for the complaints to kick in.
Keane is finished. No chance he’ll be considered.
Totally in agreement
McCarthy's management career highlights :
Millwall got to the playoffs
Ireland last 16 of World cup
Wolves: Promoted to Premier league
Sunderland: Promoted to Premier league
Kenny:
Highly successful within the League of Ireland but not beyond that
MO’N had a cracking CV but that didn’t work out too well...
I think he mentioned O'Dowda and Arter, saying that as English-born and raised they'd know little about Kenny other than what they might know anecdotally or from a distance. I heard the whole show and what I took from it was that he was really referring to the aura Mick would bring, an immediate presence, in contrast to Kenny who might take time to make an impression. It wasn't explicit, but implicitly clear in my opinion. He definitely wasn't referring to respect in the sense that the players would respect one but not respect another. The presenters argued that this point was overblown and that anyone who didn't respect Kenny can take a hike, even though "respect" wasn't really the issue. KK was just drawing on his experience of an international dressing room. With over 100 caps you'd think he knows what he's talking about.It's linked a couple of pages back. Kilbane named players who he he felt would either know very little about Kenny or not know him at all. He never said they wouldn't respect him, he actually pointed out that he never said this. So yes, I suggest you go look.
Hold on, if Mick gets an extra line for every one of his achievements in England then you should give Kenny an extra line for every one of his achievements in Ireland.
except for....
first away qualifying wins against direct opposition since 1987.... twice
home win against world champions
away draw against world champions
play-off win against bosnia
euros last 16
win v italy
qualifying for wc play offs from 4th seeding
at the time did you think any of the above achievements constituted not working "out too well"??
cant just be air brushed out despite the poor way it all ended for MON.....
...and a short spell of success abroad with a League of Ireland club. Just to be fair.
I think the above are fair points. At the same time I think Kenny represents the "post-2008" brand of modern football manager.
I love Mick, loved his previous tenure and think he'd be good. I had the fortune to meet him on a street corner in central London in 2011 and he was a gent. We reminisced about him taking the team to Andorra because we were away to Andorra under Trap that night. He was so open and friendly.
But over the last day or so I've leant towards Kenny. Riskier for sure, but I think he could get the team playing beyond the sum of its parts again.
I wonder would it be worthwhile waiting on the draw? Tough draw, go with Mick. Easier draw, go with Kenny - a bit more margin for error.
Fair enough, that wasn't fair of me, but my point is Micks achievements far out way Kenny's.
Kenny has done well at domestic level but managing in the LOI and managing at International level or in the Premiership/Championship are world's apart. Kenny needs to go the direction of Paul Cook first IMO.
Last edited by TrapAPony; 23/11/2018 at 3:39 PM.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
I thought MO’N did a cracking job up until the Denmark game.
However it didn’t stop him getting ridiculed and hunted like a dog on forums, social media & radio phone in shows. Most people now (unfortunately) would say he was a bluffer & just gave a 10 minute team talk before kick off. That’s obviously BS but Andrews & co made sure the message got out there.
My initial point - CV’s can be spun anyway you want. You could flag McCarthy getting sacked & chased out by fans of most of the clubs he managed.
In 26 years of Management he has only been sacked twice
There’s no mad rush in getting a new manager but good God don’t let it drag out like it did after Stan got sacked.
The Ipswich job was as good as a sacking & he resigned just before getting sacked for Ireland!! He didn’t leave both jobs smelling of roses. He was at the end of the road.
Back in 2002, I was very much pro-Keane and anti-Mick. Now, with the benefit of hindsight, I realise that they were just two personalities who really don't get on. Roy is a good guy, Mick is a nice guy. So I have nothing against Mick any more and appreciate everything he gave for the cause as player and manager. I just don't think we should be overselling him as a management genius of some kind. He has his shortcomings. He is a very similar manager to Martin O'Neill. He could well come in and motivate the players and get them to qualify. But we have to ask ourselves what direction we want to go in. Do we want the quick fix or do we risk doing something new? Usually we go for the quick fix, but we might be back asking the same questions in four years from now if we do that again.
He resigned from both without a penny payout and both his replacements for Ireland and Ipswich did a poorer job
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