Scott Hogan F Free agent b.1992

[Fixer82]

Alan McLoughlin would always have chosen Ireland over England and both his parents were Irish.

https://www.the42.ie/alan-mclaughlin...35108-Oct2017/

I'm not too sure about Babb. He was born to an Irish parent, but then so was Harry Kane.

Recruiting dual-qualified players has never bothered me, so long as the player's committed. Of course some Irish-born players like Stephen Ireland and Joey O'Brien showed themselves to be less than enthusiastic about playing for Ireland.

As far as Hogan is concerned my attitude is that that we have to be realistic about the options available to us. we can only pick from what we can pick from. Like it or not, no other Irish player has scored more goals at as high a level as Hogan, therefore he is by default in the picture for the next Ireland squad.

Absolutely. Townsend, Houghton, Aldridge etc were brilliant for us and left it all out on the pitch

[Diggs246]

Alan McLoughlin would always have chosen Ireland over England and both his parents were Irish.

https://www.the42.ie/alan-mclaughlin...35108-Oct2017/

I'm not too sure about Babb. He was born to an Irish parent, but then so was Harry Kane.

Recruiting dual-qualified players has never bothered me, so long as the player's committed. Of course some Irish-born players like Stephen Ireland and Joey O'Brien showed themselves to be less than enthusiastic about playing for Ireland.

As far as Hogan is concerned my attitude is that that we have to be realistic about the options available to us. we can only pick from what we can pick from. Like it or not, no other Irish player has scored more goals at as high a level as Hogan, therefore he is by default in the picture for the next Ireland squad.

Actuals that's a very common misconception.. Harry Kane's Grandfather was from Galway his father was born in England

[Stuttgart88]

I think we're probably all guessing a bit because Kenny knows exactly what he wants from players and doesn't seem to rate Hogan too highly, but it seems like Hogan is probably competing with Collins and maybe Long for being the guy who comes off the bench when you're throwing the kitchen sink.

What I think links all the players named, Robinson, Idah, Connolly, Parrott, etc, is they all get involved in every aspect of play from build-up forwards, which seems to be integral to what Kenny wants/needs in his team. I'd be surprised to see Hogan ever start just like I'd be surprised to see Collins start a big game going forward.

Agreed.

I’ve only really seen Hogan a few times. Very clearly a centre forward but not a target man. In style / stature he reminds me a bit of Michael Owen, but obviously not in ability. Seems to be at his most effective 6-15 yards from goal. I’m not sure he contributes much in open play so I don’t see SK fancying him. But in hindsight I think he’d have been effective in the Slovakia away game as we created a few of the penalty box type chances he seems to like.

He had three big chances at the weekend. A one-on-one which he hit firmly at the keeper, lacking accuracy. Through the keeper’s legs or low and wide of the keeper were the only two ways to score. The goal wasn’t as lucky as some have said. The ball only needed a light touch to divert it past the keeper, and that’s what he did. It wasn’t pretty but it worked.

He then had a chance from about 12 yards that he caught on the full but missed the target. This was a worryingly bad miss imho. And had it gone in it was game over, 3-0. As it happened Derby then scored twice to draw.

[Trequartista20]

Hogan's listed as being 5'11'' and looks about that to me. Owen's, what, 5'7''? So I'm not sure I really agree with the stature comparison.

In terms of playing styles, Owen was a far better dribbler and carrier of the ball and techniquely better. Hogan scores more headed goals. Hogan's main strengths, from what I've seen of him, are his movement and his pace over short distances; he gets into good positions and can be a decent goalscorer when he's in the mood, but tends to be very streaky in this regard.

I also see him as more of a squad option than a starter and, based on form, could possibly come into the squad in place of Collins.

[Trequartista20]

Actuals that's a very common misconception.. Harry Kane's Grandfather was from Galway his father was born in England

I didn't know this. It contradicts everything I've ever read about it.

[Olé Olé]

I didn't know this. It contradicts everything I've ever read about it.

Are you sure? I thought his father was born in Ireland but moved to England rather young.

[irishfan86]

When Kane was asked about Declan Rice at the time of the switch, he referenced that his grandparents on his father’s side were Irish.

“My nana and grandad were Irish on my dad’s side, so I had that decision,” Kane was quoted as saying at the time.

I’ve seen some articles implying Kane’s father moved to England at a young age from Ireland but if that’s the case it’s kind of strange he wouldn’t have included his father in that quote on the decision he never had to make. I’ll add that while those articles are all over the search engines, they appear to be from dubious sources.

[pineapple stu]

Wikipedia says -

Kane was also eligible for the Republic of Ireland through his father, who was born in Galway,[12]

Citation is this article from the42.ie - https://www.the42.ie/harry-kane-engl...01121-Mar2015/

[Diggs246]

Wikipedia says -



Citation is this article from the42.ie - https://www.the42.ie/harry-kane-engl...01121-Mar2015/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/connach...r-own-909/amp/

[Diggs246]

"Harry’s grandfather, Michael John Kane, was born and reared in the townland of Dawros in Letterfrack; he emigrated to England as a young man"

[paul_oshea]

I was always of the belief his grandfather left Ireland. However I'm less sure that's true now after reading that article.
"However, the intensity of the Premier Division football and his England commitments mean that free time is very limited."

[John83]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/connach...r-own-909/amp/

Apologies for the tangent, but lots of people dislike google amp links. The top comment here explains why if you're interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...ad_about_them/

[Kingdom]

Agreed.

I’ve only really seen Hogan a few times. Very clearly a centre forward but not a target man. In style / stature he reminds me a bit of Michael Owen, but obviously not in ability. Seems to be at his most effective 6-15 yards from goal. I’m not sure he contributes much in open play so I don’t see SK fancying him. But in hindsight I think he’d have been effective in the Slovakia away game as we created a few of the penalty box type chances he seems to like.

He had three big chances at the weekend. A one-on-one which he hit firmly at the keeper, lacking accuracy. Through the keeper’s legs or low and wide of the keeper were the only two ways to score. The goal wasn’t as lucky as some have said. The ball only needed a light touch to divert it past the keeper, and that’s what he did. It wasn’t pretty but it worked.

He then had a chance from about 12 yards that he caught on the full but missed the target. This was a worryingly bad miss imho. And had it gone in it was game over, 3-0. As it happened Derby then scored twice to draw.

"They call me lucky, they don't know how hard I worked

This possibly goes back to our conversation. I'm biased. I don't like Hogan - it's that simple and irrational. And it's entirely apt that he scored the hardest one to score - I believe the word I used was fluke :-) - simply because of how he hit it (I think he got the result he was intending but possibly wasn't trying to hit it as he did). anyway, his other two misses were awful, and absolutely cost Brum the win.

[third policeman]

"They call me lucky, they don't know how hard I worked

This possibly goes back to our conversation. I'm biased. I don't like Hogan - it's that simple and irrational. And it's entirely apt that he scored the hardest one to score - I believe the word I used was fluke :-) - simply because of how he hit it (I think he got the result he was intending but possibly wasn't trying to hit it as he did). anyway, his other two misses were awful, and absolutely cost Brum the win.

But the goal secured the the draw.

[Fixer82]

McGeady could be another one who would've chosen Ireland regardless. Footage of him as a kid playing football on the street in an Ireland jersey. And when pressed on it said something like 'any time anyone asked me as a kid who I was going to play for, for some reason I always said Ireland'

[third policeman]

McGeady could be another one who would've chosen Ireland regardless. Footage of him as a kid playing football on the street in an Ireland jersey. And when pressed on it said something like 'any time anyone asked me as a kid who I was going to play for, for some reason I always said Ireland'

Undoubtedly true, but we were a lot better than Scotland at that time as well.

[Fixer82]

Terry Phelan 100% was only ever going to play for Ireland

[third policeman]

Terry Phelan 100% was only ever going to play for Ireland

There's a story I was told by my cousin who swears it's true, but I've never found any reference or verification. I know that both Lawrenson and Hughton flirted with ultra-left politics in their youth. Hughton was in the SWP (Socialist Workers Party) and Lawrenson had some connection to the WRP (Workers Revolutionary Party). Allegedly, and here the only evidence comes from my cousin Mark in Derry, he was interviewed by local radio in Preston about being capped by Ireland. The interviewer asked him whether he had ever thought about playing for England. Lawrenson is alleged to have replied that he would not have felt comfortable playing for an imperialist country. This may well be totally apocryphal but has anyone else ever heard this or able to verify it.

[Fixer82]

There's a story I was told by my cousin who swears it's true, but I've never found any reference or verification. I know that both Lawrenson and Hughton flirted with ultra-left politics in their youth. Hughton was in the SWP (Socialist Workers Party) and Lawrenson had some connection to the WRP (Workers Revolutionary Party). Allegedly, and here the only evidence comes from my cousin Mark in Derry, he was interviewed by local radio in Preston about being capped by Ireland. The interviewer asked him whether he had ever thought about playing for England. Lawrenson is alleged to have replied that he would not have felt comfortable playing for an imperialist country. This may well be totally apocryphal but has anyone else ever heard this or able to verify it.

I’d love if it were true but I’d be very surprised.
Especially with Lawrenson. He’s never struck me as someone who’s very clued in on current affairs.
Hughton much more plausible

[Fixer82]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ts-3368688.amp