QuoteGoalscoring has obviously been a problem for us for some time and Hogan probably deserves a call-up on merit, if he can continue his recent form up until the next round of fixtures.
The same can be said for Keane.
Well this is true!Originally Posted by SkStu
to be fair... i took your assumptions, countered with a couple of assumptions of my own which resulted in the above response that is laden with assumptions
We might score plenty, we might not. A fair summary.
I guess my assumption is let's not assume and let's instead assume that Hogan can play a bit of ball and assume that the more options we have the better, assuming Hogan turns out to be an option at all.
Sound fair?
Goalscoring has obviously been a problem for us for some time and Hogan probably deserves a call-up on merit, if he can continue his recent form up until the next round of fixtures.
The same can be said for Keane.
Experience counts in international football. Let the likes of Parrott do his developing at club level IMO. I'd like to see Hogan further, and I prefer him to Collins for example for mobility reasons. I'm not suggesting we start him necessarily but he's good squad option.
If its either Collins or Hogan Id go with Hogan but wouldnt care if Hogan ever played for us again either. Hes a very average player whos on a decent streak right now but weve seen him plenty where he was on bad streaks too.
Okie doke. We'll leave it there, so.Well this is true!
I guess my assumption is let's not assume and let's instead assume that Hogan can play a bit of ball and assume that the more options we have the better, assuming Hogan turns out to be an option at all.
Sound fair?
I don't know - looking over his career stats, I think he has a reasonable record for the most part, apart from the ill-fated Villa move and, maybe his first full season at Birmingham - OK, that is four seasons, but he seems to be settled at Birmingham now and looks capable of multiple double-figure seasons going forward. He scored 17 in 33 league games when he was 21 for Rochdale, before his move to Brentford, where he immediately lost nearly two seasons to injury, coming back at the end of 15/16 to score 7 in 7 and carrying that form forward to 16/17 scoring 14 in 25. And then came the Villa move. But just when it appeared his career might drift, he got himself back on track in 19/20, scoring 10 in 30 in two loan spells, which included 3 at Stoke, playing mostly garbage minutes
Even for us, while at first glance he hasn't scored in eight caps, he's only been on the pitch for fewer minutes than three games' worth, so I'd be happy to give him another shot to be one of our stopgap forwards for the next campaign or two
I think we're probably all guessing a bit because Kenny knows exactly what he wants from players and doesn't seem to rate Hogan too highly, but it seems like Hogan is probably competing with Collins and maybe Long for being the guy who comes off the bench when you're throwing the kitchen sink.
What I think links all the players named, Robinson, Idah, Connolly, Parrott, etc, is they all get involved in every aspect of play from build-up forwards, which seems to be integral to what Kenny wants/needs in his team. I'd be surprised to see Hogan ever start just like I'd be surprised to see Collins start a big game going forward.
Why do you pollute your good sensible post with the infelicitous but trendy "going forward" add on?
A good point well made, but I actually meant it in its literal sense for once! I can't remember Hogan starting a game for Kenny but I wasn't sure so I stuck it in as a failsafe.
Just scored the second against derby. Poor defending but decent finish to the corner across goal.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Cost Birmingham the points with two very poor misses. His goal was a bit of a miscue but obviously went where it needed to.
The goal came off his shin?? And as note by SkStu, two poor misses. If he has improved since his last inclusion in the squad, it wasn't evident yesterday. But he's on a goal scoring run so call him up.
Perhaps just call up the Lucky Shin.
Isn't that Ronnie Whelan?
Funny though that Idah's recent lucky goal was a well-intentioned heavy touch to fool the defence, and his bad one-on-one miss was good goalkeeping.
Sometimes ( OK, Only occasionally ) It is better to be lucky than good ~ But there is nothing wrong with good luck at any time ( well accept for my enemies )Isn't that Ronnie Whelan?
Funny though that Idah's recent lucky goal was a well-intentioned heavy touch to fool the defence, and his bad one-on-one miss was good goalkeeping.
I think most people in that thread said it was just a heavy touch though?Isn't that Ronnie Whelan?
Funny though that Idah's recent lucky goal was a well-intentioned heavy touch to fool the defence, and his bad one-on-one miss was good goalkeeping.
Well here's Stutts -
Or jbyrne -For the goal, the heavy first touch made it. A softer touch and he'd have had to decelerate and he'd have been tackled from behind.
I thought it was worth contrasting those views with ifk's comment here ("The goal came off his shin?? And as note by SkStu, two poor misses. If he has improved since his last inclusion in the squad, it wasn't evident yesterday.") on what sounds a similar kind of goal from Hogan (I haven't seen it). Those who allow that Hogan maybe deserves a call-up generally reckon it should be at the expense of Collins, not Idah. I think it's slightly unfair on Hogan.or maybe his first touch is what makes the goal by tempting the goal keeper off his line so idah can poke it past him.
SkStu is commendably consistent across both threads in fairness.
Wasn't really a consensus though was it? Like one person said Hogan shinned it versus loads who didn't even notice and then a couple of people who took a charitable view of Idah's first touch again.
It definitely wasn't intentional, Hogan's I mean he did look like he wanted to go across goal but it came off the side of his upper lower leg.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
where do i say it was an intentional touch?
idah made the best of what happened to the ball after he touched it. thats it
you are just determined to trample on any sort of positivity around here. idahs luck with the goal, portugal didnt care, serbia took their foot off the peddle etc etc etc etc. i bet if i go back a bit further to our wins over germany, wales and italy i will find no shortage of similar party pooping
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