Eurovision Uberthread

[Green Tribe]

yeah sorry Gerrit, forgot you are from Belgium But he was awful..... same in Ireland and Britain, it tends to destroy your career, or makes u lack creditability if u sing at eurovision so......doesn't happen
for the good ones

[mypost]

Morning Ireland this morning and they McCauls are on saying it's the voting system - the same lame excuse as the last three years about Eastern European countries voting for each other....

If that's the case, well how come all these fookin countries were in the bloody semi final in the first place? Surely they'd be voted through in the main event and the whole semi would be "western" countries.

Shít song, shít format to pick the song and the singers, but RTE make too much money out of it so not willing to go back to the old ways, and then use their "news" programmes to propogate the myth about voting. Afterall didn't seem to effect Israel too much last night.

The McCauls are a bunch of hypocrites for whinging about the voting system, after our similiar voting system got them the ticket to Kiev. Whinging about the voting system didn't stop Mickey Harte getting 13th in 2003, which qualified us directly for the 2004 Eurovision final.

We create our own problems in Eurovision. We still haven't learned the lessons we recieved from last year's thrashing in Turkey. We knew that Eastern countries were going to vote for each other, we knew that our song had to be decent this year, and we knew that our Eurovision representatives had to be able to sing, dance, dress appropriately for the occasion, and have a stage presence in order for us to do well, considering that we don't have the benefit of many neighbours to vote for us.

The McCauls appearance on stage was, in a word, awful. In Eurovision, you don't dress as if you are going to the local shop to buy milk. You are performing for a massive worldwide tv audience. Therefore you dress accordingly. You don't wear trainers, and as for Donna, I accept she's no oil painting, but when I saw her on stage, I thought, "Christ, where's the dress?" Even though the dress looked like it had been cut out of a magazine catalogue, it would have looked way, way better than trousers. (They always do). Almost all of the female singers wear skirts/dresses while performing in Eurovision, so why can't she? What's the point of bringing a dress to Eurovision, if you're not going to wear it? If she doesn't want to wear it, she shouldn't have entered the competition at all. You must make some effort when it comes to your appearance in Eurovision, female artists especially. In the final, we're going to see many, many, gorgeous, glamourous girls from around Europe who will show the RTE Eurovision Wardrobe Department, how you should dress for such a stage, in front of such a vast audience.

Our ESC representatives, couldn't dance. More worringly, Joseph couldn't sing! If that's the case, what's he there for? How many lyrics of the song did he sing alone? Not more than a couple, at most. If he can't sing, then he's effectively just a backing singer. If he can't dance to a pop song, he shouldn't be on the stage, period! Not good enough!

Last year's winner, was a professional composer, performer, and dancer, selected internally by the the Ukrainian state broadcaster NTU, who went on an extensive promotional campaign around Europe getting herself recognized, gaining publicity in order to gain votes and points. NTU put together an eye-catching performance on the night for the Eurovision viewers, and hey presto, they won! In contrast RTE use a corrupt selection process, which sends a bunch of time-wasters who have never performed in public before, to sing a crap song in front of a massive European TV audience, don't promote them or their song elsewhere, mess up the performance on the night, then stare in amazement when it all goes pear-shaped as the votes received for Ireland from other countries, are not enough to earn us enough points on the night.

The post-mortem regarding our disasterous Eurovision performance will continue long after the 2005 show is over. The Irish, and the Dutch are vehemently whinging about the voting system used. But that's the way it is, and as the state broadcasters around Europe need the money that the televoting system generates, that's the way it's going to stay.

Ultimately, whinging about the voting system used, even though it's crap, is a cop out. The truth is, if you don't do your homework beforehand, and don't prepare properly for the contest when you know what you're up against, then you can't complain when the result doesn't go your way. Until RTE learn their lessons from other Irish failures in recent contests, and take the contest seriously, it may be some time before we see Ireland in a Eurovision Grand Final again.

[Green Tribe]

ok, fcuking knackered, going to bed in two mins.. have to be up at 08:30

greece won, wedgied a dancer, WTF? ok, hated the chorus, "you are my one,you're my number one " fcuk off! oh well, just glad did not have to sit through "love can make you cheat, love can make you lie, love can make you fly to the sky, love can make you pick your nose, love can make you scratch your arse" from Ireland. wanted norway to win, or malta, switzerland or bosnia,n mais non!!


Merde!

Until Greece 2006, we say to Eurovision and those fcuking awful presenters au revoir...................

[mypost]

For the record, Ireland finished 14th in the semi-final, with 53 points.

Best song won this year's contest, for a change. Helena's song blew the competition away, beating Mary Harney, sorry Malta, by 38 points. The political songs from Ukraine, and Russia, failed to qualify for next year's final.

Who are we up against in the semis next year?? The usual crowd, consisting of Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Turkey, Cyprus, Hungary, Ukraine, and Russia, who are relegated to the semi final for the first time. And we all know how those countries vote, don't we?

I think we have to fast forward to the 2007 Eurovision semi final already.

[CollegeTillIDie]

mypost

If next yearś Irish entry does not gö on a scmoozefest before the contest shaking hands and kissing babies in all these countries we can forget ever being in a final again. It is now like a European general election campaign.
Donna and Joe did not do this and therefore were ignored. Thats the sad fact of life. We should ask Tony Blairś campaign manager to organize the schmoozefest.

[CollegeTillIDie]

my post

Just read your earlier comment about presentation. Spot on girl.
However if we are relying on having gorgeous looking singers with good dress sense then we are sean bhean bhocht... I mean come on we are Irish for christ sakes...do you know any singers who are even remotely gorgeous that would enter the thing? Apart from Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh, Enya , Andrea Corr and Samantha Mumba there are no gorgeous female singers in the country. This is Ireland we are talking about, letś get a reality check!

And none of the above would be seen dead at the Eurovision song Contest!

Who are we up against in the semis next year?? The usual crowd, consisting of Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Turkey, Cyprus, Hungary, Ukraine, and Russia, who are relegated to the semi final for the first time. And we all know how those countries vote, don't we?

I think we have to fast forward to the 2007 Eurovision semi final already.

According to what I can recall of the voting the Serbs came 7th how the heck are they still in the semis next year?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok all the Ex-Yugoslavia countries tend to vote for each other.
The trick is to counteract that... and here is the best possible way to do this.
1/ INvite a band from there to represent Ireland in next yearś contest!

Now you might ask how we could do this and who would they be ?

The best band in Serbia come from Belgrade and are called the Orthodox Celts. They play Irish folk music already and write original songs in the Irish folk music genre. They sing in English which is one of our official languages so thatś a problem solved. They are hugely popular in Slovenia, Croatia , Bosnia, Macedonia as well as Serbia /Montenegro. All those countries would vote for the Orthodox Celts instead of each other.
You would be guaranteed 12 points from all the Balkans ex-Yugoslavia states and a clear path to the final!

[Green Tribe]

Sounds good CTID but maybe that group would not lower themselves to compete in the eurovision, afraid of destroying their career....

KT (shockingly hungover and just surviving on 3 hrs sleep )

P.s I am delighted for Norway, the nation of nil points, fair play to them for going for broke and risking it with a totally different song, I loved it and their dress, make-up was sooo funny. Germany came last, they were bad...

[Poor Student]

The best band in Serbia come from Belgrade and are called the Orthodox Celts. They play Irish folk music already and write original songs in the Irish folk music genre. They sing in English which is one of our official languages so thatś a problem solved. They are hugely popular in Slovenia, Croatia , Bosnia, Macedonia as well as Serbia /Montenegro. All those countries would vote for the Orthodox Celts instead of each other.
You would be guaranteed 12 points from all the Balkans ex-Yugoslavia states and a clear path to the final!

I actually thought about us using someone from there too. But those lads? I saw them on Serbian TV one day (or possibly Montenegran) and they didn't seem too great. They look like something you'd expect to see in Frasiers in their Celtic tops and all! By the way the "Serbs" last night were actually Montenegran which I guess explains why the vote came from Podgorica this year and not Belgrade.

If you look at the last 3 years (never really watched before this as the gf got me watching it) the winners have kind of won on the sex appeal. Ok I myself don't think the Turk or Ruslana were attractive but they were pretty sexual acts and the Greek was quite leggy. With all due respect to our females posters here I don't know if Ireland could compete in this aspect anyway.

[Green Tribe]

I actually thought about us using someone from there too. But those lads? I saw them on Serbian TV one day (or possibly Montenegran) and they didn't seem too great. They look like something you'd expect to see in Frasiers in their Celtic tops and all! By the way the "Serbs" last night were actually Montenegran which I guess explains why the vote came from Podgorica this year and not Belgrade.

If you look at the last 3 years (never really watched before this as the gf got me watching it) the winners have kind of won on the sex appeal. Ok I myself don't think the Turk or Ruslana were attractive but they were pretty sexual acts and the Greek was quite leggy. With all due respect to our females posters here I don't know if Ireland could compete in this aspect anyway.

Yeah, the 50 year old Danish Olsen brothers were so sexy, that's why they won....

Yeah generally sex appeal always gets you the vote, even a male entrant did it well last year-the lovely Sakis from Greece Came third, but still good for a guy. You can't say that Ireland is at a disadvantage cos we don't have sexy women, like they only exist in the rest of Europe, who won Miss World last year? Rosanna Davidson was it not? Very pretty lady, wonder does she sing? The difference with Ireland is, they (usually ) put talent (musical) before looks etc, whereas most of the other countries will put looks first,as they know it is 80% presentation and face, arse etc. Even in the voting rounds, when visiting each country, all other countries had a really pretty young lady, dress etc, apart from maybe Poland, Germany(gay guy). But Ireland had Dana (old) UK had that ol hag from bucks fizz.

There are plenty of pretty sexy people in Ireland, talented as well, but the public or a jury will not send them...only Linda Martin, fair play, had the guts to say what was true, not nice but true; the McCauls have an image problem, they are not for eurovision, they and the RTE panel were offended by this but it was true, a brother and sister singing about love....not so easy on the eye either....nil points

There were plenty of good looking girls in the early stages of YAS but they were turned down by the panel or the public. joe and donna were picked by the panel after singing 'amazing grace' hardly eurovision material...

[Poor Student]

You can't say that Ireland is at a disadvantage cos we don't have sexy women, like they only exist in the rest of Europe, who won Miss World last year? Rosanna Davidson was it not? Very pretty lady, wonder does she sing?

Desperately overrated imo. There's plenty of better looking girls in UCD let alone the country. When I was in Slovenia last summer there was a weekly programme on fellow EU states on the radio where they go through stereotypes and things. One of the stereotypes of the Irish was that we're ugly. Something I never knew. Hard as it may be to admit we may be challenged in the looks department.

[Green Tribe]

Desperately overrated imo. There's plenty of better looking girls in UCD let alone the country. When I was in Slovenia last summer there was a weekly programme on fellow EU states on the radio where they go through stereotypes and things. One of the stereotypes of the Irish was that we're ugly. Something I never knew. Hard as it may be to admit we may be challenged in the looks department.

That must be an east european thing, cos in Poland they have the belief that people from islands (eg ireland, britain etc) are ugly (they are generally talking about women, cos over there the woman has to be pretty, an ugly woman is real bad, man can be ugly but not woman. If we believed stereotypes, then we'd be a narrow-minded people. Out of Ireland and Britain I think Scottish people are the most challenged in the looks dept.
Maybe you're just not too supportive of us Irish ladies cos you have a Slovenian chica yourself. Maybe she is really pretty, but I tell you, east european men i say nie, dziekuje! . I have a stereotype that east european women look and dress like hookers, and a lot of them do.

[Poor Student]

That must be an east european thing, cos in Poland they have the belief that people from islands (eg ireland, britain etc) are ugly (they are generally talking about women, cos over there the woman has to be pretty, an ugly woman is real bad, man can be ugly but not woman. If we believed stereotypes, then we'd be a narrow-minded people. Out of Ireland and Britain I think Scottish people are the most challenged in the looks dept.
Maybe you're just not too supportive of us Irish ladies cos you have a Slovenian chica yourself. Maybe she is really pretty, but I tell you, east european men i say nie, dziekuje! . I have a stereotype that east european women look and dress like hookers, and a lot of them do.

God I hate to generalise but there are a lot of awful looking yokes around here. No offence to yourself or any other female posters here (and you're welcome to lynch me ) as there are decent looking women here too but I don't see many of a particularly stunning quality of say the one from Israel who could catch a continent. Actually she isn't Slovenian in ethnicity and I must say it was ironic to hear them call us ugly because they are an awful looking nation of people. I must say having been through a few countries on the continent the frequency of pretty women is greater there than Ireland and Britain.

nie, dziekuje=? Looks Polish.

[Green Tribe]

God I hate to generalise but there are a lot of awful looking yokes around here. No offence to yourself or any other female posters here (and you're welcome to lynch me ) as there are decent looking women here too but I don't see many of a particularly stunning quality of say the one from Israel who could catch a continent. Actually she isn't Slovenian in ethnicity and I must say it was ironic to hear them call us ugly because they are an awful looking nation of people. I must say having been through a few countries on the continent the frequency of pretty women is greater there than Ireland and Britain.

nie, dziekuje=? Looks Polish.

yes, is Polish well done.

i know what you're saying about the rest of europe, i think maybe they get more sun than us, which makes people 'look' healthy(when young) Sun, within reason is healthy, so i think their skin always seems nicer than ours. With the exception of Gerrit most of us would agree a person with a light natural tan looks better. Not these sunbed eejits though, with their orange faces Ok, the girl from Israel might not look as good without all that make-up and bronzer and her blonde hair dye, she looked very israeli to me, but typical eurovision, israeli's know what to send, not going to send a fat ugly one, which i am sure exists.... Brave of Malta to send a bigger lady, i was happy she did well, actually was she not second? so you can't say sex appeal was doing her good. She had an excellent voice and i am glad some people actually recognized.

[Poor Student]

i know what you're saying about the rest of europe, i think maybe they get more sun than us, which makes people 'look' healthy(when young) Sun, within reason is healthy, so i think their skin always seems nicer than ours. With the exception of Gerrit most of us would agree a person with a light natural tan looks better. Not these sunbed eejits though, with their orange faces Ok, the girl from Israel might not look as good without all that make-up and bronzer and her blonde hair dye, she looked very israeli to me, but typical eurovision, israeli's know what to send, not going to send a fat ugly one, which i am sure exists.... Brave of Malta to send a bigger lady, i was happy she did well, actually was she not second? so you can't say sex appeal was doing her good. She had an excellent voice and i am glad some people actually recognized.

I hate to say it but I think the Maltese lady's appearance was actually so off what people would usually send she caught the eye and that may have in facted helped her. She may have even gotten the sympathy vote for being large (I'm a cynical bassa aren't I? ). Undoubtably in my opinion she had the best voice but I reckon the song itself was not that good.

Also I am not so sure it's just the tan, never been to Scandinavia myself but I've heard people raving about Nordic beauties.

This has turned into the Euro totty thread. I blame you Kerr's Tribe.

[Green Tribe]

I hate to say it but I think the Maltese lady's appearance was actually so off what people would usually send she caught the eye and that may have in facted helped her. She may have even gotten the sympathy vote for being large (I'm a cynical bassa aren't I? ). Undoubtably in my opinion she had the best voice but I reckon the song itself was not that good.

Also I am not so sure it's just the tan, never been to Scandinavia myself but I've heard people raving about Nordic beauties.

This has turned into the Euro totty thread. I blame you Kerr's Tribe.

Is that not cos the rumour is that the Scandinavians are like rabbits ? I don't like blond hair, so going by the stereotype of them...no thanks

[Green Tribe]

Good idea (Ireland exempt as did not qualify from semi-final ha -ha )

Based on looks.......
(Please note this is not a history list of conquests )

Spain 12 points
Greece 10 points
Italy 8 points
Portugal 6 points
Croatia 4 points
France 2 points(equal)
Germany 2 points(equal)




Er.forgot what thread i was on, but never mind!

[Poor Student]

Is that not cos the rumour is that the Scandinavians are like rabbits ? I don't like blond hair, so going by the stereotype of them...no thanks

You'll have this merged into your totty thread at this rate creating the biggest thread in internet history.

[Poor Student]

Er.forgot what thread i was on, but never mind!

That's quite ok, I should have known never to mention totty in your presence. I predict some of the other girls to get whiff of this thread and and 80 pages to ensue discussing the merits of European male totty.

[Green Tribe]

That's quite ok, I should have known never to mention totty in your presence. I predict some of the other girls to get whiff of this thread and and 80 pages to ensue discussing the merits of European male totty.