Bray statement

[Seagull]

From what i'm hearing Mulvey has stopped backing the club because of O'Connor - there relationship broke down a long time ago.

And that if someone else was in charge Mulvey would happily come back on board.

But as i said, that's just what i am hearing.

What's keeping O'Connor in Bray now? Why hasn't he walked away? As far as I can see he's invested nothing in the club, it's all other people's money.

[Nesta99]

You'd be very silly from a monetary point of view: a €500x40 week contract is €20,000; if someone at Bray was on €1,500 a week, and wages stop next week, they'd still have been paid €37,500 (25 weeks) and still have the opportunity to find another club and so earn more money.

You get what I am saying! If Shels offered 1500 a week and Shamrock Rovers offered 500 you have a good idea that things werent going to end well at Shels eh currently, and it would be a gamble on how long the contract would be honoured. Figures were exaggerated but the point remains that players should consider the security if there is such a thing rather than be completly blinded by dollar signs. But have €5k a week and work for me and give up your current job - what could possibly go wrong, i shall even do up a contract and you can bust yerself until I run out of cash and I tell you sorry go find a new job, but tell any prospective new employer that they must pay me so that you can go work for them, but i have got 1 weeks wages left!

[Dove]

O'Connor was very evasive on East Coast FM when asked how be became Chairman, and who voted him in. He avoided the question many times, and seemed to imply it just happened. He could not remember. As he rightly said it is the board who voted him, so could he not say it was Cox, Kelly and J O'Neill. What is he hiding.
He did not mention the McGettigan investment, and the falling out. So he fell out with McGettigan, and now Mulvey, who is the next brave punter he has lined up.
What needs to happen, very quickly is for the FAI to step in, and offer some protection in a holding capacity. Removed the O'Conner brothers, FORTHWITH, and seek a Supporters Co-Operative, and get some model on very successful German supporters owned trusts.
All the shareholders need to turn their shares into this Supporters Co-Op-Trust (call it what you like)
There can be NO going back.
I am 100% convinced that if BW was 100% owned by supporters and people of the community, then it would be a different matter.
O'Conner brothers have been divisive and let Denis have his wish.....'To walk away'

The town of Bray can recover, but only once O'Connor brothers are gone.
The Vision of the Future plan, announced last year air brushed Pat Devlin out completely.
That shows the O'Connor boys are totally out of touch.

Is there support for a Bray Supporters Owned Club, Trust, Co-Operative, or has O'Connor guys destroyed that.
As Edmund Burke said.......For evil to prosper, it needs good people to lie down.

[Philosophizer]

Oh how I'd love if the FAI implemented a rule like Germany where clubs must be at least 51% owned by fans...

[EatYerGreens]

I just can't see the FAI actively promoting supporter-ownership as a solution in the Bray situation, or any other.

The FAI is an organisation built on patronage, cronyism and unswerving devotion to its glorious leader. Supporter-owned clubs generally don't go in for any of that bullsh!t and aren't afraid to speak their mind on issues, so they would threaten how the FAI and Delaney do their business. Imagine if the majority of the league involved democratically owned and run clubs - there'd be a revolution overnight !

So if the FAI got involved in the Bray ownership question at all they'd be looking for some other 'investors' / mugs to put money in. And then Delaney would have the gratitude of Bray and that person/people to help entrench his position even further. It's the footballing equivalent of Tammany Hall, and it's rotten.

[pineapple stu]

Sure half the First Division teams don't have fans; not sure how that'd work.

Is there anyone in Bray ready to step in though? It's all very well for Dove to talk about a Supporters' Co-op above, is there the appetite for one? (Serious question)

[Jofspring]

Sure half the First Division teams don't have fans; not sure how that'd work.

Is there anyone in Bray ready to step in though? It's all very well for Dove to talk about a Supporters' Co-op above, is there the appetite for one? (Serious question)

Not only the appetite, these things take time to set up. If nothing is set up yet you would have to imagine they might have to leave the LOI for a season or two and come back in when everything is sorted.

[Kingdom]

Not only the appetite, these things take time to set up. If nothing is set up yet you would have to imagine they might have to leave the LOI for a season or two and come back in when everything is sorted.

If Bray folded, and went into hiatus for a couple of years, would the support be there for a return?

[pineapple stu]

Suppose the other thing is that two years ago, wages weren't being paid, the club was on the brink of going under and no trust arose.

Not necessarily a criticism of Bray as such; there's a few small clubs who couldn't muster a trust if it came to it (including UCD obviously)

[Partizan]

Suppose the other thing is that two years ago, wages weren't being paid, the club was on the brink of going under and no trust arose.

Not necessarily a criticism of Bray as such; there's a few small clubs who couldn't muster a trust if it came to it (including UCD obviously)

You could sell your bodhran.

[gufct]

I see its all solved now according to O'Connor . Just fill the ground for Cork Game and all is well again!!!!

[Seagull]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...-now-1.3145368

[El-Pietro]

I see its all solved now according to O'Connor . Just fill the ground for Cork Game and all is well again!!!!

That game won't likely go ahead, not unless we concede 3 goals tonight. TNB had the same plan - 5k a game for 5 games and we were grand!

[EatYerGreens]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...-now-1.3145368

I wonder if the FAI are one of the anonymous bodies named in that report as having put money into the club ?

[blueblood]

I wonder if the FAI are one of the anonymous bodies named in that report as having put money into the club ?

Anonymous investors, what's the worst that could happen there?

[Martinho II]

did DOC take over when Pat Devlin left at end of 2013 bray fans?

[sidewayspasser]

Anonymous investors, what's the worst that could happen there?

Portuguese coaches?

[ToberonaTornado]

This story not quite over yet according to D. McD on Twitter.

Statement from Bray players expected this evening - gather they are not all entirely satisfied with guarantees from the club

https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...25280406892544

[pineapple stu]

Portuguese coaches?

You mean Bray could slump as low as Rangers?

That's pretty bad...

[nigel-harps1954]

What's obviously happened, in my head anyway, is the FAI have dug them out by giving them an advance payment of their UEFA solidarity money. About €20-30k should see them through the next couple of weeks at least along with Connollys transfer money.

Instead of mystery investors, O'Connor has simply bought some more time.