QuoteIts the FAI lads, lol
Another fine mess JD has landed himself into
Squad considering options.....Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
This story not quite over yet according to D. McD on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...25280406892544
Its the FAI lads, lol
Another fine mess JD has landed himself into
PFAI not believing O'Connor's Plan and have looked for cast Iron Guarantees from New Investors and the FAI by Monday. Another blow for O'Connor is that their next home game against CCFC will not go ahead due to Corks European fixtures .
We are the Galway Boys Stand up and make some noise"
It's not the clubs being run by supporters that would directly threaten the FAI, it's the fact that they would immediately oust the league chairman once his re-election came up (or sooner if they could force it) and the LOI clubs would have a seat at the very top table of the FAI, one of the people that (in theory) appoints the CEO. They'd burn Abbotstown down before that would be allowed to happen.
What is the definition of a supporter?
Andy Connolly & Paul Brown, the businessmen owners at Dundalk - are they supporters or investors?
How do you view Ray Wilson at Shamrock Rovers?
What is it that sets supporter-run clubs apart from other models?
Democracy.
A club that relies on a big investor is always more vulnerable to a dramatic decrease in budget. All it takes is one guy to decide he wants to reduce or cut his funding and the club is immediately pegged back.
Worked well for Bohs.
I understand the concept and recognise the limitations, but how do you define reliance on a big investor?
I presume you do not think investment is negative per se - do you think clubs should only allow investment in certain limited circumstances where this "reliance" is reduced or eliminated?
Can an investor be a supporter?
Can a supporter be an investor?
What distinguishes one from the other?
Are there flaws to a democratic supporter-run model?
This is the correct answer.
As stu mentions above supporter models aren't perfect, we have seen that in Athlone and Cobh as well in the past, but with a suppoerter model you aren't relying on a small number of individuals to keep your team afloat.
In our case of course the memory of financial difficulty is still so raw so our group is very cautious by nature in our expenditure. That won't be the same at all clubs but it is likely in the case where a supporters trust or equivalent takes over after some kind of disaster.
Thanks for that.
Yes it did work well. We voted people in, they ( and us) made some spectacular mistakes, we faced the consequences, dug deep from our own pockets and began to discharge our liabilities arising from those mistakes. We learned from them, voted different people in, turned the club around on and off the field and now live within our means.
It didn't work well. It cost you your ground.
You're right that at least the model allowed you to vote people out, whereas I can't see that Bray, say, can do that.
But I think it needs to be acknowledged that Supporter-run clubs aren't a panacea for all ills. The problem with democracy is idiots get a vote, and people can play to that.
They may be the best of a bad lot in terms of governance, I'll certainly allow that. But I think there's arguably a place on every board for someone who has no interest in football, and can more easily step back from the decisions being made and give objective advice.
This is a root of questioning and irritation. Many (most) supporters who post on the subject appear blind to difficulties and make far-reaching and romantic claims about the supporter-run model.
I can almost hear the terrace chant - Four legs good, two legs bad
Yeah, democracy is not perfect but is better than the alternatives as Churchill or someone said, (other than my preferred option of supreme oligarch,surrounding myself with yes men, sycophants and token females- loosely based on the FAI governance model)
Supreme oligarchy probably works best of all if you can find the right people.
But usually you can't
That's exactly it. Yugoslavia was a huge success but only Tito had the personality to keep everyone happy and hold it together. Once he died the Serbs tried to exterminate the Bosniaks.
I think it was JFK who gave the "democracy is not perfect but it's the best there is" quote. It was a speech in Berlin after the fall of the wall if I'm not mistaken.
Anyway, I digress. I'm not against investors at all, but I think it's always better if the majority (say 51%) of a club is fan owned. Finanvial investors can come tribute to the rest of they wish.
Did indeed. Sold the ground twice, ran up a huge debt, sold the ground again, debt cleared, still in ground. Democracy all the way....
It's on Sunday instead of Friday, hardly a blow. A strange part of this saga is the club's official Facebook page has been sharing articles critical of O'Connor, one with Dylan Connolly who calls him Denis the Menace and another with Keith Long which doesn't pull any punches. They also have the players statement up without comment from the club.
All you zombies tweet tweet tweet.
They're still with us TG.
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