Rule 42 Discussion

**Dawn_Run** · 15/04/2005, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by londonred

Its looking like its going to need government intervention to get it through.

I dunno - Bartholomew said yesterday that it is not the governments place to interfere in such matters. He did say that it would be bad if Irish internationals had to be played in the UK.

Despite being told to vote NO - I wonder will any of Corks delegates (or delegates from other NO counties) stand up and be counted and vote YES tomorrow?

**fosterdollar** · 15/04/2005, 10:01 AM

I'd be more concerned about whether the ballot is public or not. If it's private could have people reversing their support for opening when they don't have to justify it.

Either way, if a democratic vote maintains the rule, then the GAA will have gone down a path of exclusion thus alienating even more people. Their support in urban areas will further decline and elsewhere their decisions will be hard forgotten.

I never was a massive fan of the organisation and of the sports, hurling is the only one i would pay to see and get excited about watching. I would have no problem boycotting (for what little effect it would have) the GAA should they decide to continue applying this insane rule. However, by the same token, I would be against pushing the issue. I really don't like the apparent control over other sports being switched over to them. If they close their ground now then that's it. Rugby, Football, and all other orgainsations and supporters should concentrate on progressing without the GAA.

**Peadar** · 15/04/2005, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by pete

I for one will balme the current FF/PD government.

This problem predates the current government and is some ways, every government since the state was formed.
Apportioning blame isn't going to achieve progress!
Let�s not get into an argument about who's at fault.
There is a strong sense of anti British ness in Ireland for primarily historical reasons. History belongs in books!
We need to lose this notion that we're still victims of a British tyranny.

The GAA has facilities which were funded and built by the people of Ireland. These facilities could be made available to other associations as a business opportunity but also as a sporting and social co-operation, for the benefit of the people of Ireland. The very people who play and attend GAA games, but also have interests in other sporting codes.

If the GAA believes that all its members are locked in some sort of a monogamous devotion to their games then they're sadly mistaken.
Sports lovers, love sport. Big balls, small balls, odd shaped balls, we love them all. It's not sinful and it's not going to change because of a long outdated rule.

Originally Posted by Dawn_Run

Despite being told to vote NO - I wonder will any of Corks delegates (or delegates from other NO counties) stand up and be counted and vote YES tomorrow?

It's a secret ballot tomorrow.

**gspain** · 15/04/2005, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dawn_Run

Despite being told to vote NO - I wonder will any of Corks delegates (or delegates from other NO counties) stand up and be counted and vote YES tomorrow?

No chance.

1) It is a far far bigger issue for the No campaign than the Yes campaign. Imagine if Clontarf RFC asked Shels today for use of Tolka Ollie would bite their hand off, Shels fans wouldn't even care or notice. Nice we get some money while the ground is lying empty but hey we're playing Bohs friday night and lets hope Glenn Crowe sticks one in. The Yes camp in the GAA see it as a good business proposition, ok don't like the bigots giving the whole organisation a bad name but it's not a life or death matter. The media are normally soft enough on the GAA anyway and won't be too harsh. Now for the No camp - it is attacking the whole Nationalist ethos of the GAA, 1916, Bloody sunday, Black and Tans, UJ flying over Croke Park ya de ya de ya......Guess who are most likely to break a democratic mandate.

2) The clubs have forced the hand of the county boards in many cases

3) It would be suicide in Cork to vote in favour and break Frano Murphy's line. See point 1 even if a delegate was in favour they are hardly likely to be that strongly in favour.

4) Last time Limerick broke mandate and voted by a 3/1 margin against. Approx 40 delgates rushed for the toilets presumably mandated Yes voters. there were no consequences for any of them.

**Terry** · 15/04/2005, 11:05 AM

I heard a limerick board member on the radio this morning saying "that the GAA would mad to open up croke park and leave the possability of seeing violence break out like that seen in milan during the week"

**Macy** · 15/04/2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

This problem predates the current government and is some ways, every government since the state was formed.

The FF/PD coalitions record...

Failure to support eircom park, failure to build the Bertie Bowl, handing over money the night before the last chance of the rule getting changed influencing the decision, continued handing over of money with no strings attached.....

Of course they're blameless, or has Conor stolen your username?

**monutdfc** · 15/04/2005, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

...or has Conor stolen your username?

lol

**blobbyblob** · 15/04/2005, 2:57 PM

With the possible prospect of the motion not being carried, what kind of backlash would you expect?

**Eire06** · 15/04/2005, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

With the possible prospect of the motion not being carried, what kind of backlash would you expect?

It'll be like the MCCarthy Keane thing again but bigger ( Both soccer and GAA people involved )...

**Dawn_Run** · 15/04/2005, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

With the possible prospect of the motion not being carried, what kind of backlash would you expect?

The birth of hurl.ie

**stojkovic** · 15/04/2005, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

With the possible prospect of the motion not being carried, what kind of backlash would you expect?

The Govt. will have to get off its arse and do something.
They cannot lose 60M euro per match in revenue to the economy.

**Schumi** · 15/04/2005, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dawn_Run

The birth of hurl.ie

Sickening

**Dawn_Run** · 15/04/2005, 8:06 PM

RTE projected result leaves the yes vote 11 votes short of the 224 Votes needed make 2/3's majority

**oconghc2** · 16/04/2005, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by sirhamish

Look folks, most GAA people are sound BUT there's a clique/number/minority - call it what you want - in the organisation who absolutely HATE soccer

fair enough but is it not true that a lot of socer people hate the GAA and there definately is a "minority" of people in the organisation (FAI) that ruin it for everyone too

both organisations have their problems - but id always have to say that the GAA has done a hell of a lot more for the people in this country than the FAI and all this talk of public money for the GAA etc misses the point that the GAA probably deserves the money (lets just hope that more is put into club level)