Rule 42 Discussion

[gspain]

Limerick met last night and voted YES
Cork didnt meet last night but have decided to vote NO. Dont know how they came to that decision.

Although I am 110% for the opening of Croker, having listened to the Cork Representative on the news yesterday he made some valid points, one in particular I have some sympathy with. He says that Cork have received nothing from the GAA as to how the opening of Croke Park will benefit clubs at county level. No indication has been given as to how/if the funds made from opening up will be dispersed.

A valid point but still its only an excuse for their narrowmindedness IMO.

And the Welsh Rugby Union presumably provided 500 page dossiers to all clubs on the benefits of playing the FA Cup final there when the rugby season is over.

My favourite bit of the RTE Voxpop was the guy from St. Vincents in Cork - " We'd be against it. Just up the road here we had guys murdered by the Black and Tans. It was a horrible death too. We commemorate it every Easter nothing political mind. As I said we are a staunch Republican club so we'd be against it" tyou couldn't make this stuff up could you?

Cork is one man one vote. Frank Murphy is the man and he has the vote. No surpirses there.

[monutdfc]

There are 7 motions being put forward; but the one that almost certainly will be voted on is the one that would allow Croke Park to be opened up to other sports during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.
I think the actual decision to do so would be made by Central Council (not 100% sure on that), but it is highly unlikely they would not do so if Congress voted 2:1 in favour.

[Cowboy]

I disagree as to its validity and I think its a red herring from this guy. Its too early to say how the money would dispersed as this would ne a matter for the board of management when/if they become enpowered to do do.

I think this guy is opposed in any scenario and is plucking at straws. He sounded like a child wanting to be led by the hand.

Although I am 110% for the opening of Croker, having listened to the Cork Representative on the news yesterday he made some valid points, one in particular I have some sympathy with. He says that Cork have received nothing from the GAA as to how the opening of Croke Park will benefit clubs at county level. No indication has been given as to how/if the funds made from opening up will be dispersed.

A valid point but still its only an excuse for their narrowmindedness IMO.

[drummerboy]

Don't you guys know that these people are more Irish that you lot

[Dawn_Run]

Suppose the vote goes through, does this mean Croke Park will definitely be opened or is the vote just to give the power to Central Council to open it?

Nope - the vote - if passed - will only allow the opening of croke park to be discussed officially.

[gspain]

Don't you guys know that these people are more Irish that you lot

Absolutely. I can't believe Ronan O'Gara has never apologised for the Black and Tans in 1922. And it is well known that Roy Keane is a direct descendant of Oliver Cromwell.

In fairness though with Mayo giving a free vote only Monaghan and Cork in the Republic are against opening up Croke Park.

[gspain]

Nope - the vote - if passed - will only allow the opening of croke park to be discussed officially.

true but it is very unlikely that Central Council would refuse.

[Peadar]

Taken from an article in the Irish Examiner today.

Jim O’Sullivan writes

The staging of international soccer and rugby games in Croke Park could necessitate the expenditure of €20m by the GAA.

Full story here...

[monutdfc]

In fairness though with Mayo giving a free vote only Monaghan and Cork in the Republic are against opening up Croke Park.

Well thank goodness ourselves and the Corkmen are standing alongside our Northern Brethern

Seriously though, does that mean that if all the county delgates vote they way they are supposed to then the 2/3rds will almost certainly be achieved?

[Dawn_Run]

Taken from an article in the Irish Examiner today.

Jim O’Sullivan writes


Full story here...

Thats an interesting article Peadar, the main concerns here are segregation of fans and floodlighting. Floodlighting, IMO, could be incorporated into any deal signed between FAI, GAA and IRFU. Segregation is a different story. Obviously there are UEFA regulations as to how opposing fans should be segregated. I doubt that temporary measures are acceptable here. How does it currently work in Lansdown? I'm a South Bucket die hard - not too au fait on what happens on the North end.
I knew knocking the Nally was going to come back to haunt us!

[blobbyblob]

Seriously though, does that mean that if all the county delgates vote they way they are supposed to then the 2/3rds will almost certainly be achieved?

Not nessesarily. Some counties are more powerful than others. 1 vote for every 10 clubs in your county.

Hertfordshire has voted against it last night because of the fear of hooligans.

[gspain]

Thats an interesting article Peadar, the main concerns here are segregation of fans and floodlighting. Floodlighting, IMO, could be incorporated into any deal signed between FAI, GAA and IRFU. Segregation is a different story. Obviously there are UEFA regulations as to how opposing fans should be segregated. I doubt that temporary measures are acceptable here. How does it currently work in Lansdown? I'm a South Bucket die hard - not too au fait on what happens on the North end.
I knew knocking the Nally was going to come back to haunt us!

Currently segregation is done on the North Terrace by a line of stewards. Same thing in Israel recently. I went into the home end to get the free T shirt and came back - no problems. As for stade de France.........

Floodlights are not needed. Games can be played during the day. Obviously if the F.A.I. or IRFU wanted floodlights they'd have to pay for them.

The pathetic attempts at the "No" camp to hide their bigotry behind stupid reasons laughable.

[Dotsy]

THis is probably very naieve but given that individual delegates can vote against getting rid of Rule 42 even if they were mandated to vote for the motion what are the chances of them voting for it where the county has madated a vote against.

[Peadar]

Floodlights are not needed. Games can be played during the day.

Floodlights are required for afternoon or later games in the winter.
What might look to you and I from the terrace, doesn't show up well on TV without sufficient lighting.

I know that the eL clubs have to comply with the minimum average lux level specified in the relevant UEFA club competitions regulations.

It's not a problem though because the stadium structure can accommodate lighting and the cost would, of course, be met by the individual sporting body.

[eirebhoy]

I've said this many times but Cork people have a lot more effection for Cork than they do for Ireland. That isn't the case in most Leinster/other counties and it does effect the voting.

Sonia O'Sullivan, Roy Keane and Denis Irwin are Corkmen/women. Damien Duff, Robbie Keane and Jonny Giles are Irishmen.

[Peadar]

I've said this many times but Cork people have a lot more effection for Cork than they do for Ireland.

It's quite easy for Dublin people to say they're "Irish first" because, essentially, the country revolves around the seat of government, the heads of sporting bodies, the national broadcaster and so on and so forth, which all happen to be in Dublin.

By actively promoting issues in the name of "Ireland", you're effectively further empowering and enhancing Dublin.

There is an Ireland outside of Dublin.
An Ireland which fights hard for economic survival.
The €15m or so generated from each major sporting event, is barely seen anywhere beyond the pail.

[monutdfc]

Not nessesarily. Some counties are more powerful than others. 1 vote for every 10 clubs in your county.

Yes, but on the basis of the counties that have declared their intention to support the motion, is there enough delegates for the 2/3rds?

[noby]

Did Cork not meet lastnight?
They had a whole piece on the news lastnight, showing people walking into Pairc ui Chaoimh.
Or did they just not discuss it?

[gspain]

Floodlights are required for afternoon or later games in the winter.
What might look to you and I from the terrace, doesn't show up well on TV without sufficient lighting.

I know that the eL clubs have to comply with the minimum average lux level specified in the relevant UEFA club competitions regulations.

It's not a problem though because the stadium structure can accommodate lighting and the cost would, of course, be met by the individual sporting body.

Simply not true. Yes UEFA have all sorts of regulations and rightly so re the lux but you have enough daylight hours to play any home game at any time of the year without lights. OK it can mean a 1pm kickoff on a wednesday in November aka England 1990 in Lansdowne but you don't need floodlights.

Now Croek Park is wored for lights and the GAA may decide to get the F.A.I. and/or government to pay for them or a chunk of them and there is a business decision to be made then as Sky and advertisers would much prefer a kickoff time outside normal working hours.

Remember Estonia were forced into a daytime kickoff v Scotland when their lights didn't pass the test and the mess that followed.

[gspain]

Did Cork not meet lastnight?
They had a whole piece on the news lastnight, showing people walking into Pairc ui Chaoimh.
Or did they just not discuss it?

Franco Murphy decided not to have a vote and just mandated their delegates to vote against.

Actually a positive sign as he must at least have been concerned enough that it might have failed.