Keano to quit!

[1MickCollins]

QUOTE=martin_rules_ie]on this page alone you can see that cosmo, macy and colinR are being totally level-headed and sensible in their approah to this topic, they don't seem to be anti-cork.

Cork has spoken! Super-intellects, what chance have the rest of us got?[/QUOTE]

This forum is dying if this is what you are going to sink to, stop bashing players and other posters and start being constructive.

[Macy]

Keane has done yet another about turn as, yet again, Uncle Alex has spoken and made up his mind for him.

Well, at least there's none of the usual rubbish about principles and back injuries.

He actually said as things stand this'll be his last contract. If his body is still in good shape, and he's still good enough for United then he may play on. Do you actually listen to him speak, or hear some gobshíte like Des Cahill say it so it must be true?

[Macy]

It's straight copy out of the Mirror!

Well, what he said (i.e. it was on the radio this morning of him actually speaking rather than a quote in a paper) is that he still sees it as his last contract, but if he feels up to it and the management team of Fergie, Queiroz and Phelan think he's still good enough he may reconsider. He was quite clear that he'd only stay on for United - so Davros won't see his dream of Keane in a Celtic shirt...

[Cowboy]

Has Kerr got us to a world cup finals? When he does, then maybe you can think of calling him a superior manager. McCarthy was probably the best manager the Republic of Ireland has had to date. I think Kerr will be better in the long run, but right now, he's proved nothing.

Rubbish, hes already proven that he can win championships and tournaments.

[Peadar]

McCarthy was probably the best manager the Republic of Ireland has had to date.

If McCarthy was a good "Manager" he would have handled the Saipan affair with some degree of professionalism.
There's more to football management than results on the pitch.

[martin_rules_ie]

...That would be only worth it,to annoy some of his small-minded EL neighbours on here.......

would you mind elaborating on that?

certain people on this forum are pessimistic armchair managers. they will not listen to anyones take on a certain issue and have a black and white perception of things. while it is unfair to say that mick was totally at fault for saipan (the FAI equally deserved blame).
kerr is a better manager than mccarthy
ireland are a different team with keane (and why should he play meaningless friendlies when we know what he is capable of. why should he cripple himself to wear the green shirt? roy loves his football and he can prolong his career by playing important games (ie qualifiers)
people love to stir the sh*t here by knocking keane no matter what he does. if he does sign a new contract with manu, so what??

[martin_rules_ie]

keane in his early days as a footballer had a bad temper which opponents used against him but that is no longer an issue. keane supposedly called mccarthy a w*nker (which he is) but should have not said it publicly.
the above IMO are his faults. he does NOT put club before country. he simply has a view that friendly games are taking years off his career. i'd rather he miss friendlies and be there for our big games that really count.

mccarthy has good points, he got us to WC2002. but he did not get us to WC98, euro2000 and destroyed our hopes of euro 2004. mccarthy was not great with man management. his biggest fault was innterogating keane in front of his fellow players.

kerr has not put a foot wrong so far. he cannot be blamed for the failure to qualify for euro 2004

[Macy]

I completely agree. 'Keane is great', 'McCarthy is bad', 'Kerr is great'. Don't you just hate it? No allowance that Keane may have faults, or McCarthy and Kerr have good and bad points...

LOL No allowance that Keane may have good points either though Conor?

[martin_rules_ie]

The red cards, the foul on Haaland, the drinking, the chasing refs around the place, the World Cup qualifier, the whole debacle surrounding his return to Kerr's team. Are they not faults?

red cards are down to his temper which is no longer a problem with him. i'd rather roy get red cards for being passionate and getting stuck in than someone like holland who gets lost in some games.
the foul on haaland was provoked. it was a nasty thing to do but we all make mistakes and i doubt roy thought the challenge was going to end his career. has roy's drinking which is over-hyped ever effected his playing performances?? NO
chasing refs? how many players sprint 30 yards on a pitch to give out to refs? thats not a fault, its part of the modern game unfortunately.
roy had to decide if changes had been made before he could return and also wether his body could take it.

Why not? It was in our hands with what should have been manageable games against Russia and Switzerland. The former was one of the most inept performances ever by an Irish team, the latter a disaster. He doesn't even have McCarthy's excuse of trying to change the players and game plan.

i'm not even going to argue with you about that..

[Cowboy]

How did we fare against Russia at home and Switzerland away then last time out?

I hope Kerr gets us there of course, but cannot simply forget how utterly crap some of the competitive performances have been.

it is truly ridiculous to judge him on these games. Fair judgement can only be made at the end of a qualifying campaign not two games. Brian Kerr has shown an outstanding ability to get the best from players in his charge evidenced in the trophies he has won to date

[martin_rules_ie]

He walked his dog while his colleagues and his country played football.

I'm sure dog lovers would find that extremely admirable...

you are such a narrow minded individual
how does this prove your point?

[martin_rules_ie]

Ummm, hate to point out the obvious, but those two games came the end of the qualifying campaign...

were you trying to be funny or was that a serious comment? either way you sounded like an ass.
i think cowboy meant after kerr has a full qualification campaign, judgement can be made fairly!

[Macy]

Yes;If RMK was ever to wear the Hoops ...the one good thing it would do is shut-up his local supporters back in the Southern wilderness,who suffer from a great delusion that the world of soccer begins & ends with some mediocre EL team................

He'd just be moving from one British team playing at the top of a good league to another British team playing at the top of an extremely average league. What that has to do with the eL is beyond me.

[martin_rules_ie]

Yes;If RMK was ever to wear the Hoops ...the one good thing it would do is shut-up his local supporters back in the Southern wilderness,who suffer from a great delusion that the world of soccer begins & ends with some mediocre EL team................

sorry if i seem a bit stupid here, but i think i'm totally missing your point here. are you saying that if roy signed for celtic that would make his 'supporters' in cork back down in support for him?
and what would this have to do with CCFC??

i love this board! comedy....

[martin_rules_ie]

The abuse is getting stronger I see.

You may have your opinion on me, but at least I know the rules of the board. Check out that one about attacking the post not the poster etc. etc. Send me a PM if you want to get abusive.

i wouldnt waste my time PMing you mi amigo.
i didnt call you an ass, i said you sounded like one in a previous post.

ok let me rephrase it: your posts give off a narrow-minded attitude

[Cowboy]

Ummm, hate to point out the obvious, but those two games came the end of the qualifying campaign...

I'm not saying we should get bogged down in his failures. I hope Kerr does very well. But to simply forget or omit parts of his career to advance an argument is weak.

Yes of course they did but he was not in charge of the complete campaign nor did he have time to run a few friendlies before hand, I think you know this and are being mischievious. If we are to use your logic he should have been sacked after these games. To ignore the reality of the situation he found himself in is truly weak

Fact is he our most successful manager at underage level and I have no doubt he will go on to be our most successful at senior level.

[martin_rules_ie]

Fact is he our most successful manager at underage level and I have no doubt he will go on to be our most successful at senior level.

here here

[Cowboy]

I never said anything of the sort. I just didn't pretend those games never existed. Believe it or not, Kerr is not actually perfect.



Put the crystal ball aside. At the moment, in terms of wins per games played, who is our most successful senior manager?

I dont believe anyone here has pretended those games did not exist. I'm not using a crystal ball, my view is based on several factors among those being Brian Kerrs undoubted talent as a manager , his attention to preparation and detail and his man management skills.

Wins per games played at this point in his career is of little benefit to a balanced view, time will tell. I choose to await the outcome, it seems you choose to judge on selectively limited evidence.

[martin_rules_ie]

Leave you to work that one out.........

ya you proved your point there.....

[Éanna]

Keane has done yet another about turn as, yet again, Uncle Alex has spoken and made up his mind for him.

Well, at least there's none of the usual rubbish about principles and back injuries.

well said that man Why doesn't Keane just answer every question with "Ask Alex", he might as well