It's just a bit mad banning people who don't agree with you. Especially when you're the President. I don't know how anybody could see that as being remotely rational.
They can't stand BBC which is definitely anti-Trump although from my perspective a little fairer in how they go about it. So I don't know if they're guilty by association or what. Spicer did include a number of "unfriendly" institutions in the informal gathering.
But, what happened is interesting...
- Friday Press Briefing was cancelled Wednesday or Thursday due to CPAC
- Instead Spicer schedules an informal gathering (they called it a gaggle) of friendly journalists (good dudes)
- decides to increase the gathering but doesn't invite the "bad dudes" due to space issues (hehe yeah).
- the bad dudes showed up anyway and were told they couldn't enter.
Kind of funny really. Also,
- the bad dudes baulked in january when Spicer suggested moving the press room to a larger location to accommodate the number of media outlets.
- the worst dude (Obama) did the same to right wing outlets (Fox and others) back in 2008/09.
Yet it's unprecedented and awful. Won't someone please think of the children!
It's just a bit mad banning people who don't agree with you. Especially when you're the President. I don't know how anybody could see that as being remotely rational.
No one gave a sh1t when Obama did it...
And is it a ban? This was not an official press briefing. Some outlets weren't invited. Cool kids only. I'm pretty sure they'll be back giving Spicer a hard time on Monday.
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I don't give a **** about Obama now either, he's irrelevant to what Trump is doing. If people turned a blind eye to Obama doing it but criticise Trump (I don't know the details but assuming it's comparable) then they're misinformed or hypocrites. But it doesn't justify it or make it rational now.
What is "it" exactly? Are you still calling this a ban? The worst you could call it was a snub. And a well deserved one.
Also, it's funny how when you point out that the actions of one administration, actions that the press and others call "unprecedented", was actually done by the previous administration then it doesn't count or is not relevant to Trump. It is f*cking relevant. It's the same behaviour. It's not unprecedented.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/presiden...with-fox-news/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2...6156794&page=1
Regarding Sweden, this journalist - Tim Pool - has undertaken to go to Malmö, Gothenburg, Stockholm and other major cities to determine the truth. He doesn't appear to be anything other than independent so it might be worth following his journey. The first video was interesting.
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Opening lines.
Person: Are you lost, What are you doing on this side of .... this is the Harlem of Malmo.
Pool: Oh is it , is it a bad area?
Person: Nah
Yet we have people scurrying around looking for this and that report to provide a rational context for race hate groups and to support
"claims that violent crime is rising rapidly and caused by recent immigrants to the nation".
There was one demonstration which ended in violence in Stockholm when 600 members of the Swedish/Scandanavian fascist/neo nazi Nordic Resistance took to the streets to demonstrate in celebration of Trump.
Norwegian neo-Nazis were also in attendance
The first point to their Political program
1. Immediately stop mass immigration, and as soon as possible initiate the repatriation of the majority of peoples that are not of North European descent. These should in the most humane way possible be sent back to their respective homelands or regions nearby.
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Yeah, one random guy speaking off camera. Case closed.
Obviously, that's your own prerogative Charlie but I want you to understand and acknowledge what I am saying. There is a huge level of hypocrisy when people use language like "unprecedented", "nazi", "ruining freedom of speech", "damaging to democracy" to talk about what happened to certain media outlets yesterday and yet refuse to apply the same standard or level of outrage to the actions of the previous administration when it is pointed out. Or, at least, back off from the stupid narrative when it is pointed out.
Last edited by dahamsta; 27/02/2017 at 10:41 PM.
For Trump and his apologists. one random guy speaking off camera is proof positive.
You fell for that one.
This Trump love, muslim/refugee hate is dulling your senses.
Provide solid evidence for the claim which you are attempting to provide a rational context for, that the recent flow of emigration and refugees in the last 2 years into Sweden is responsible for an alleged rise in serious crimes in Sweden.
It is difficult to find the proof you require, Geysir, since the Swedish government stopped tracking the nationality/ethnicity of criminals back in, I think, 2010. This data gap makes anecdote/observation more important and I have already tried to provide non partisan sources to reasonably portray whether or not there are issues. I also linked to Tim Pool who is over there and I will be following his journey to satisfy my own curiosity and desire for information. Gatestone Institute has a list of a number of serious crimes committed by refugees and immigrants in Sweden too but I didn't bother posting that as, even though it seems factual, it is too right wing a source for the many on here who agree with open border policies.
With regards to the first paragraph of your post, I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make but I do note that you took a dig at my intelligence and tried to cast me as hating Muslims. Thanks for that. Sound.
Another interesting update from Tim Pool.
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Why are people standing up for Frump? It's one thing being one of the dimwits in the US electorate voting for this pr*ck, but why would anyone outside there respect this paranoid narcissist?
Especially his hateful attitude and policies towards minorities.
Not withstanding the many faults of Obama and past US regimes, not to mention the rest of the planet!
It's not just "one person" though, is it?
He's on the frontline, so he presumably knows what he is talking about.
There is not just a rise in sexual crimes against Western women. There have been numerous sexual crimes against adults and children in migrant camps.
Donald Trump denigrated constantly through the duration of the Oscars.
Denigrated by the same people who gave Roman Polanski, a convicted child rapist, a standing ovation.
Last edited by dahamsta; 27/02/2017 at 10:42 PM.
I came across this excellent letter to the Guardian yesterday and, although it relates specifically to the pathologised black, Asian, Muslim and ethnic minority residents of Moss Side in Manchester, it touches on and challenges some of the more rectionary opinions being aired generally in this thread in relation to "radicalisation being the main cause of terrorism", "immigrants being to blame for rising crime rates" and "no-go zones": https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...side-residents
Some further academia (UK-focused) on the matter generally; A Decade Lost: Rethinking Radicalisation and Extremism (January 2015): http://www.claystone.org.uk/wp-conte...calisation.pdfOriginally Posted by Akemia Minott (Moss Side youth worker), Dr. Tanzil Chowdhury (Northern Police Monitoring Project) and Patrick Williams (Criminologist and doctoral researcher at MMU)
Originally Posted by Professor Arun Kundnani
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 28/02/2017 at 6:16 PM.
Created out of thin air? If that is so, why have we been reading about upsurge in crime in Sweden in the English newspapers for two years now.
End of the day - reports about upsurge in crime in Sweden are either true or they are not true.
With all the information available at our fingertips and the undoubted smarts of the posters on here, there should be no problem in coming up with the truth, one would think.
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