That's what I felt after reading it. A lot of the stuff he was complaining about - e.g. players leaving clothes to be washed outside their hotel room door - was the kind of thing Roy Keane complained that wasn't happening when he was a player.Originally Posted by Fixer82
If anything it highlighted the difference between a professional setup and his experiences in GAA
The players who have spoken out so far are Kilbane, Duff and Doyle. All of them have two Irish parents. Rice has one Irish parent and one English parent.I don’t want somebody who is dithering so 100% with Kevin Kilbane on this.
It's easy for Kilbane, Duff and Doyle to preach to Rice, but they have no idea how Rice must be feeling at the moment.
They should shut up.
I have to agree with this. The backlash against his taking time out to decide (even if that is just a cover story) would be enough to put anyone off.
He is feeling ok, he played 90 minutes last night and played well.
Yeah he looked pretty good in the bits I say too. Granted it was kind of easy for him as Wimbledon had to retreat once they went a man down early on.
Which player was Duff talking about re singing English national anthem? Matt Holland?
I never mentioned anything about James McCarthy. However I did mention JG. Heres a couple of quotes from your posts in that thread. You ignored it purposely of course, if there is one thing you do have a lot of, its time, and you'd have responded with the subject at hand rather than shifting the goalposts and including others, as you'd have found out through your endless excavation of previous posts.After all these years posting on an internet forum I observe you have not evolved one iota in learning the essentials of ethical standards of debate, never mind the odd improvement in grammar.
If I had written anything so inane as 'hes ours to lose' I would have used an apostrophe. But i know that little inanity is your 100% own invention. AFAIR, I didn't write much in that thread.
Such threads when they are that delicate stage (will he, won't he) are emotive, most every supporter has a deeply held opinion on these matters because perhaps it touches on something more deep than just football talent and ability.
I do remember writing in the McCarthy thread, during that anxious pregnant pause and was confident in James' allegiance to Ireland, but my opinion on McCarthy was based on Tuff Paddy's excellent contributions way back, not on any long range mind reading.
It's simple for me in regards to Rice, if the player declares for England then that's the right decision for him, if on the other hand he continues with Ireland, than that's the right decision for him. We have no right to make that decision for him just because it serves our interests. Generally supporters don't like delay, i.e. a player taking time out to be sure, but if precedent has any value, precedent dictates that should the player eventually declare for Ireland, the supporters can quite rapidly get over their angst.
" Grealish has made his decision and it's disrespectful not to trust a player's word and cap him competitively long before his time in order to bind him. "I'd also note that your stance changed over time, you realised your short sightedness and got iffy. For anyone else, it was plain to see you got it badly wrong from the outset."That's resolved it, clarity has now been established and Grealish is settled on the track to our senior squad."
Unfortunately I have little time to spend on my posts. So missing an apostrophe here and there on a small screen is not a top priority of mine.
I pity you even more geysir than before, that you denigrate a post on such small matters, living in solitude, constant day and night must be affecting your mind, that your life now revolves around debates and time spent formulating posts on an internet forum.
My simplest suggestion, like I'd make to a 3 or 4 year old is get off the tablet/phone/486 and go outside, play, get dirty, have experiences. Enjoy life and live a little. Is it really that lonely up there?
yep it was Matt Holland
Wales have named English born Man City youth player Matthew Smith (18) in their squad for their upcoming games - his only taste of senior football has been two games for Twente in the Dutch 2nd division. He's played for Wales through the age groups similar to Rice. He'll most likely be tied to Wales after the upcoming games.
Maybe we have to be more proactive in these situations anymore. The likes of O'Hara, Cullen & Conor Ronan should be cap-tied early before they make a breakthrough and England take notice.
Technically McTominay hasn't been secured by Scotland yet - but he'll most likely will be after their game with Albania next week
duff and doyle were asked their views in the media. should they have gone "no comment" or lied about their views?
I can fully understand kilbanes views.
why should they pussyfoot around the issue just in case the player concerned takes the hump? playing for your country is too important and the three ex-players you mention comments purely illustrate that.
what has often given us an edge in games we had no right to win is our players sheer bloody minded commitment to the cause. there is no room for a halfway house commitment in my view
Yes John, i agree, theres a lot of sentiment attached to caps, rightly so, but some take it far too serious like joining up with the Old IRA. Just throw a cap and ye have him. I'm not sure ye'd still be throwing them around willy nilly, but Grealish and Rice could probably have been handled that way. Not so sure any of the others have done anything or been close to first team premiership to warrant it. I also think MON can't be blamed here, he learnt from his poor handling of grealish and was much more proactive.
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I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Why do you think Rice is not committed?
Like I said, he has an Irish father and English mother. He probably feels 100% committed to both.
The kind of one-nation nationalism that international football asks of players is not compatible with the globalised society we live in.
Exactly. Fans expecting non-Irish lads nowadays to be bleeding green are in a fantasy world. Sure we are going to have a big issue anyway in a few years when some homegrown players of African/Eastern European descent begin to mull over playing for us or their parents countries. As you say cap them and secure them.
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"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
think it was in an FA Cup final if Im not mistaken
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
have to agree. no one mentioned Breen yet - he has been very balanced. apparently meyler has been onto him personally. I can imagine he is getting the full spectrum of contact from some pros - english and irish. I'm sure he knew it would get some people's backs up. cold light of day I think everyone would just like him to make up his mind and we can all move on.
Holland wouldn't have played in an F.A. Cup Final. This is the game in question as far as I'm aware - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_F...play-off_Final
the old st george's cross next to his name and all.
edit: i've edited it.
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It was a "play off" game
Wasn’t there something years ago with Andy O’Brien singing GSTQ whilst representing an English football league select against a Seria B select. Think he was still at Bradford at the time. Vague recollection of it.
They took our spuds and now want our rice.
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