Tyler and Neville in particular adamant that Dunne was daydreaming for the goal but the footage clearly showed he was the only one alert to the quick free, while also trying to organise his defence.
That was a one of the craziest bit of football have ever seen, well worth watching, 3 goals in extra time and 4 in the last 9 minutes,
although I though it was 7 minutes, but the match report says 6 mins of added time, I though it was 4.
The scoring was more like basketball end to end stuff.
It's just the consistency of it. Predatory around the six yard area...Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I don't hold it against him btw. He throws everything at keeping the ball away from the goal and that's always going to run the risk of a couple going in off.
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To be fair, while Dunne does struggle with his footwork when the ball is coming across like that and has scored a few unnecessary OGs, it's his honesty that puts him in that position. A less committed defender wouldn't attempt to cut the ball out and just let Balotelli tap it in instead.
Regardless of everyone else being asleep, I'm sure Dickie would be first to admit, he was caught out. He had his hands on his head looking the other direction when the free was taken meaning his body was slightly turned the wrong way when it was crossed in. Stupid free kick to give away to begin with.
Balotelli was slow in reacting too, if Dunne have left it he would have put it in the net anyway.
the second own goal was a lot worse.
I'd trust Dickie in that situation more than I would Balotelli if I was a liverpool player.
He doesn't have his hands on his head though. When the free kick was taken he was talking to his team mates and trying to get the defence organised, and he was the first to spot it had been taken quick. He can't do any more than that.
Very small margins Charlie but he switched off for a split second and was caught out. He had a brilliant clearance 2 mins before that, but he could/should've of done better for that. Fine game besides that especially the lack of game time he's had and certainly the rest of team did him no favours. All I'm saying is that I doubt he'll make any excuses for himself and neither should we.
He should have dealt with the cross better but I think you're dead wrong about him switching off and the replays very clearly show that he was fully alert and doing his job when his teammates weren't.
I respect your opinion Charlie but calling me dead wrong is a bit much!
Golden rule is that Richie should be able behind his full back and able to see the number on his back when the ball is out right.
When the free kick is taken he is in a great position but is not looking at the play to the left but straight out. (sky showed it pretty well earlier)
By the time he's switched back on and begins to turn towards the play, he's now in a bad position, i.e ahead of his full back and he suffers because of it because any ball in he'll be facing the wrong direction. It's very small margins and usually I wouldn't even bother criticising him because people do switch off and people do score goals and that's football.
I only mentioned it but I don't think we should be defending him either, he made a mistake, **** happens, QPR/Richie will deal with it.
Ah come on now. Watch it again. The moment the free kick is taken, he's taken a step forward to relay a message to his team mates. That might be an error in itself as he's advanced too far, but it's not a case of switching off and is certainly nothing to do with your original claim about him having his hands on his head. The problem was that his team mates weren't switched on. If the left back had been paying attention, Dunne wouldn't have had to make an intervention. I'm not making excuses for him - in fact I think he's probably not good enough for the Premier League anymore - but I find it odd he's being singled out for this when his only mistake was trying to clear up other people's errors.I respect your opinion Charlie but calling me dead wrong is a bit much!
Golden rule is that Richie should be able behind his full back and able to see the number on his back when the ball is out right.
When the free kick is taken he is in a great position but is not looking at the play to the left but straight out. (sky showed it pretty well earlier)
By the time he's switched back on and begins to turn towards the play, he's now in a bad position, i.e ahead of his full back and he suffers because of it because any ball in he'll be facing the wrong direction. It's very small margins and usually I wouldn't even bother criticising him because people do switch off and people do score goals and that's football.
I only mentioned it but I don't think we should be defending him either, he made a mistake, **** happens, QPR/Richie will deal with it.
Indeed, he should be bloody proud of that record!
Dunne did not permit Caulker to stay up for a set piece late in the game as he was aware of the explosiveness of Liverpool on the counter attack. Caulker, visibly disappointed, would go on to put the ball into his own net moments after that QPR set piece came to nothing, as Liverpool counter-attacked with pace.
Dunne shouldn't have to babysit his teammates and make sure they remain concentrated.
It's said that Dunne and Caulker are uncomfortable with the requirement that QPR's backs play a high line.
QPR have a vast array of CB options but could still see them going in for another one in January. Where's Chris Samba these days?
I've watched it a few times. The step forward was the error. In my opinion he's stepped forward because he's switched off and not alive to the quick free kick. I was wrong about the hands on his head at the time of the free kick, it was a couple of seconds before that. You have to admit he was in a good position when the free kick was taken and 1 second later he was in a terrible position. Regardless of everyone elses mistakes he still could've of dealt with it better. You say that he was the first to spot the kick taken quickly and reacted and can't do more than that. I'd disagree with that fundamentally. He could've A) expected the quick free kick which is coached into kids from a young age and B) have the correct body position regardless of the free kick being taken quickly or not and finally C) be actually looking at the ball as the free kick is taken. As i said at the beginning, very small margins but at the highest level, that's what you have do.
I'm being overly critical here, only because I think you are being too lenient on him. It was a good ball in, he couldn't deal with it for whatever reasons. I've seen better players do similiar. Did he do everything perfectly? No. Simple
Anyway your original point(which I did disagree with) was that Neville and Tyler were singling him out rather than pointing out all the other things that caused the goal immediately before that, and that's fair enough.
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Just back after copping a ban in Russia for reacting to racial abuse.
I suppose we're just reading it differently then. For me, he stepped forward because he realised Liverpool had a free kick in a dangerous area and his team mates were standing around looking at their shoes instead of getting in position, so he took the responsibility to get them into gear.
Well I'd ask you what would have happened had he just looked after himself and readied himself for the free kick? I can't see anything different happening. The full back would still have been beaten and he'd still have had a cross to deal with, only his team mates might still be unaware anything has happened. Ultimately when a free kick is coming in, SOMEBODY has to look away from the ball and ensure that people have taken up proper positions. As the defensive organiser (by design or default) he had to look around and get people to take up their positions.You say that he was the first to spot the kick taken quickly and reacted and can't do more than that. I'd disagree with that fundamentally. He could've A) expected the quick free kick which is coached into kids from a young age and B) have the correct body position regardless of the free kick being taken quickly or not and finally C) be actually looking at the ball as the free kick is taken. As i said at the beginning, very small margins but at the highest level, that's what you have do.
Dunne playing a big part in QPR's go-ahead goal tonight, playing a beautiful long ball that was knocked down by Zamora, who beat Vlaar in the air, and finished by Charlie Austin after Ciaran Clark stood off and failed to anticipate the finish.
No Grealish in the squad tonight.
Haha, I knew you'd find a way to blame Clark. As Champions League-winning defenders Carragher and Neville pointed out at half time, it was Westwood who was to blame, first for failing to anticipate the long ball and secondly for not making an effort to fill the space in front of the defence. Clark was correct to drop back and cover Vlaar.
Benteke is completely out-of-sorts but, nonetheless, Dunne has monstered him. The fact the Villa have been absolutely brutal has played a role but, still, good performance from the Dunney Monster.
I thought Clark might have stepped up a bit quicker from the knock down, but he can't step out of the line before then and the knock down is absolutely perfect from Zamora. On a platter. No protection from the midfield and Austin slots it home.
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If Clark had have stepped out I think Vlaar's lunge would have broken him in two.
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