Richard Dunne

**kennedmc** · 17/08/2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Allardyce said Given was the difference in the sides: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/21089/

He got two bonus points in fantasy football as well, Adebayor got three

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
�But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.

**tetsujin1979** · 17/08/2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by kennedmc

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
�But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.

maybe, but I read the quote on football365 here: http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...494337,00.html

Shay Given

It is one of football's enduring absurdities that goal-savers are so underpriced compared to goal-scorers. Mark Hughes may have spent a combined total of nearly �100m on Robinho, Emmanuel Adebayor and Carlos Tevez but the purchase of Given in January, for a ridiculously low initial fee of �5.9m, may prove the best of his reign. It is a racing certainty that the goalkeeper's acquisition will be the most profitable.

Tempting though it might be, don't be suckered into focusing on the debuts of City's expensive recruits of Ewood because it was the contribution of Given that divided the two sides. "We had six shots on target in the first half to City's one, and the goalkeeper saved them all," observed Sam Allardyce. The Blackburn manager couldn't say it but we can: Had Given and Paul Robinson swapped sides then the scoreline would have most probably have followed suit.

**Scram** · 17/08/2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by kennedmc

He also let Roberts go past him by the touchline when he was favourite to get there at the start and clattered in to Given! I'm not saying he had a shocker I just don't think he was that good on saturday

There you go!!!! �clattered in to Given� ��..Given clattered in to Dunner, the way I saw it! It was Dunner�s ball and Shay didn�t call, he even apologised to Dunner!!

Shay made 1 great save, 1 good one and was solid otherwise.

Dunner made 1 error (debatable as he was catching up for Bridge) but was very solid otherwise.

**geysir** · 17/08/2009, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by kennedmc

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
�But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.

It is quite well within Sam's post match brief to point out that the opposition goalkeeper made a string of top saves.
Most everyone else, apart from you, who saw the game, think Given had a typically excellent game.

**kennedmc** · 17/08/2009, 1:24 PM

fair enough so - I thought Given was OK and I didn't Dunne was that good.
Generally I'm a big fan of both players.

Its goes back to people getting a little bit precious about Irish players. When the British media criticises an Irish player some people tend to get upset. When the same British media praise an Irish player they have no problem using the media as a reference point! We can't have it both ways!!

I don't believe the English media are in anyway unfavourable against Irish players - no more so that other nationalities.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 17/08/2009, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by kennedmc

fair enough so - I thought Given was OK and I didn't Dunne was that good.
Generally I'm a big fan of both players.

Its goes back to people getting a little bit precious about Irish players. When the British media criticises an Irish player some people tend to get upset. When the same British media praise an Irish player they have no problem using the media as a reference point! We can't have it both ways!!

I don't believe the English media are in anyway unfavourable against Irish players - no more so that other nationalities.

No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....

**jbyrne** · 17/08/2009, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Agree with your points on Dunne but that was a stone wall penalty, he arm was away from his side and rising when it hit him, he was blessed to get away with that.

tv said his arm was by his side and thats the way i saw it too. no way a pen

**endabob1** · 17/08/2009, 2:03 PM

We get Gary Bailey as an analyst and he commented at the weekend that Given is worth a minimum of 15 points a season, and said the reason Newcastle went down was because they sold him.
A lot of truth, considering he's ex-Utd too.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 17/08/2009, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

tv said his arm was by his side and thats the way i saw it too. no way a pen

Depends what channel you were watching.

Setanta said it wasn't (although I think Dolan disagreed), Sky said it was. I think it was from what I saw.

**DeLorean** · 17/08/2009, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Setanta said it wasn't (although I think Dolan disagreed), Sky said it was. I think it was from what I saw.

No chance for me. His arm was down by his side and it was rocketed at him from about 10 yards.

**The Legend** · 17/08/2009, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....

So what? all countries do that with their own people, who wouldn't!
we do it!

**tricky_colour** · 17/08/2009, 3:38 PM

I'd only give Dunne 9.5 out of ten for his performance, clearly room for improvement.

**geysir** · 17/08/2009, 3:42 PM

Room for improvement but not expansion.

**Scram** · 17/08/2009, 3:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....

Originally Posted by The Legend

So what? all countries do that with their own people, who wouldn't!
we do it!

What support have you got for claiming "all countries do that" ? I don't see that in any Irish papers. Drum 69 is absolutely correct re. Lampard Terry etc.

**The Legend** · 17/08/2009, 3:52 PM

what are u talking about, of course countries will see their own people in a more favorable light to others. I'm not saying its fair, i am saying its natural.

**Scram** · 17/08/2009, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Legend

what are u talking about, of course countries will see their own people in a more favorable light to others. I'm not saying its fair, i am saying its natural.

Support? I don't see Irish papers giving Robbie Keans a 9/10 when he has a 6/10 performance.

You�re suggesting that an Irish sports journalist cannot be subjective in analysis of Irish sports stars. There is a difference between wishing well and blind praise.

Drum 69 is absolutely right that the majority of English papers rate the likes of Lampard, Terry etc. above what their performances indicate and there is NO basis for saying �well everyone does that� !!!

Having said that, most �Irish papers� are English.

**rebelmusic** · 20/08/2009, 3:07 PM

Quote from fifa.com

"
ianofredcar (England)
Ireland did well to hold out for the draw,bulgaria had so much posession yet inside Irelands penalty area were very uneffective.That Michael Dunne virtually kept you in WC2010."

Michael Dunne eh? Geez...

**youngirish** · 20/08/2009, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by Scram

Support? I don't see Irish papers giving Robbie Keans a 9/10 when he has a 6/10 performance.

You’re suggesting that an Irish sports journalist cannot be subjective in analysis of Irish sports stars. There is a difference between wishing well and blind praise.

Drum 69 is absolutely right that the majority of English papers rate the likes of Lampard, Terry etc. above what their performances indicate and there is NO basis for saying “well everyone does that” !!!

Having said that, most “Irish papers” are English.

You only have to look at Hansen and (to a lesser extent) Lineker highlighting Michael Owen's performance last night to see how sickeningly biased the English media are with regard to their own players. They were highlighting his positioning and his running off the ball in a fairly positive manner conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that he has been sh*t for United thus far and had been rubbish for Newcastle for years beforehand. If Owen was a foreign striker who just signed for united they would be slating his performance.

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

**Junior** · 21/08/2009, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

Ahh, but how can you afford them all - surely they are vastly overpriced also???

**Scram** · 21/08/2009, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

You only have to look at Hansen and (to a lesser extent) Lineker highlighting Michael Owen's performance last night to see how sickeningly biased the English media are with regard to their own players. They were highlighting his positioning and his running off the ball in a fairly positive manner conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that he has been sh*t for United thus far and had been rubbish for Newcastle for years beforehand. If Owen was a foreign striker who just signed for united they would be slating his performance.

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

Yep!

There used to be a thread �Robbie Keane v Michael Owen� possibly over on Soccer Central. I know which one I�d rather have! (and it�s not the one who can�t play poker either!). Even McGeady would give you way more value than Owen.

It is not �English bashing� just to suggest the English media are biased towards English players, they are ABSOLUTELY. Even to the extent of the phrase �cheating foreigners�. The worst dive I ever saw was Gerrard v Hungary (I think ) and it was a friendly!, you don�t need to be reminded that Beckham was English and Mancurian Diving Champion long before Ronaldo ever played for MUFC�but it�s much easier to point to Johnny foreigner.