IRA Withdraw from Disarmament

**dancinpants** · 03/02/2005, 9:10 PM

Originally Posted by exile

i see your point they apoligised fair enough they apoligised because they felt they have hurt people fair enough again
But they dont see the whats criminal about the murder people like jean mcconville or the punishment beatings they regulary dish out that is not moraley acceptable of a democratic party

C'mere a minute theres alot the British goverment haven't apologised for - you don't deem them as criminal. Why is this? Are you also going to try and tell me that the Irish Government isn't corrupt? Ireland is fast becoming "home of the tribunal"!!! - is that morally acceptable?

Its really easy to pick on the easy target and forget everything else isn't it exile?

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 9:17 PM

Originally Posted by dancinpants

C'mere a minute theres alot the British goverment haven't apologised for - you don't deem them as criminal. Why is this?

you shouldnt make assumptions dancin
ya i do i hold the brits more so responsible for the mess than anyone else and tatcher should be held for war crimes

but tell me dancin why do you think sinn fein /ira dont see the murder of jean mcconville as a criminal act? do you even see it as a criminal act

**dancinpants** · 03/02/2005, 9:22 PM

I have a question, and this isn't being smart either - but I'm curious, are you related in some way to the late Jean McConville? If you are, then I'll understand why you constantly bring the ladys name up.

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 9:23 PM

[QUOTE=dancinpants]you also going to try and tell me that the Irish Government isn't corrupt? Ireland is fast becoming "home of the tribunal"!!! - is that morally acceptable?
QUOTE]

wow your a shrewd guy your right again

irish politicans are corrupt

but somehow you seem to think its ok to compare walking a mother of 10 up a beach and putting a bullet in her head and taking a bribe

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 9:24 PM

Originally Posted by dancinpants

I have a question, and this isn't being smart either - but I'm curious, are you related in some way to the late Jean McConville? If you are, then I'll understand why you constantly bring the ladys name up.

you still havent answered my question

**dancinpants** · 03/02/2005, 9:31 PM

Well, to be honest, what you have just said is a sickening thought I don't dispute that. But (if my memory serves me correctly)she'd still be alive today if the Security Forces didn't put her life in jeopardy TWICE by asking her to spy. She was found out the first time and given a warning then the cops got to her again and forced her to resume spying.

What sort of police force forces a mother of 10 to be an informant in the first place?

**dahamsta** · 03/02/2005, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by exile

i see your point they apoligised fair enough they apoligised because they felt they have hurt people fair enough again
But they dont see the whats criminal about the murder people like jean mcconville or the punishment beatings they regulary dish out that is not moraley acceptable of a democratic party

I don't understand this logic tbh. If it's "fair enough" that they apologised, shouldn't that be an end to it? If it's not an end to it - and it seems pretty obvious you feel that it isn't - why say "fair enough"? Isn't that a rough equivalent of the traditional political "with all due respect"?

adam

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

I don't understand this logic tbh. If it's "fair enough" that they apologised, shouldn't that be an end to it? If it's not an end to it - and it seems pretty obvious you feel that it isn't - why say "fair enough"? Isn't that a rough equivalent of the traditional political "with all due respect"?

adam

my apoligise i was being sarcastic should have made it more obvious

**dahamsta** · 03/02/2005, 11:03 PM

Ok, so the apology wasn't enough then. What would be enough?

[EDIT: I'm not being smart btw, I just don't get it. Will anything be enough? If not, should we just toss the peace process aside and let these lunatics start killing each other again? Let people like Paisley say "I told you so"?]

adam

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

Ok, so the apology wasn't enough then. What would be enough?

adam

for them to give up criminality, punishment beatings spying on politicians, etc

**dahamsta** · 03/02/2005, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by exile

for them to give up criminality, punishment beatings spying on politicians, etc

Fair enough. Some might say that's what they're trying to do, but the politicians are derailing that process in an attempt to feed their own egos and careers. And what about the loyalists? Why isn't there a comment in your sig about them? Do you support their criminality, their punishments beatings, both of which are far more widespread than on the provo side? As to spying on politicians, well, that cuts both ways, unless you think the bug Gerry Adams held up a while back was a plant or something...

Christ, you're making me sound like an IRA sympathiser, which is a bit much coming from a treehugger like me. I just get ticked off when I see one-sided accusations and commentary being thrown around. It's all a bit Ian Paisley for my liking...

adam

**exile** · 03/02/2005, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

Fair enough. Some might say that's what they're trying to do, but the politicians are derailing that process in an attempt to feed their own egos and careers. And what about the loyalists? Why isn't there a comment in your sig about them? Do you support their criminality, their punishments beatings, both of which are far more widespread than on the provo side? As to spying on politicians, well, that cuts both ways, unless you think the bug Gerry Adams held up a while back was a plant or something...

Christ, you're making me sound like an IRA sympathiser, which is a bit much coming from a treehugger like me. I just get ticked off when I see one-sided accusations and commentary being thrown around. It's all a bit Ian Paisley for my liking...

adam

your right i should make it more clear thati feel the same utter contempt for the unionists and british army up there as well as sinn fein/ira but my whole point being is that they are not trying to win votes down here but sinn fein/ira are and political party that condones murder well speaks for itself really.

**Closed Account 2** · 03/02/2005, 11:55 PM

By the way they've (IRA) just put out another statement via the television, saying that both British and Irish Governments are to blame, and that it is a serious state of affairs, or words to that effect.

**dortie** · 04/02/2005, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Well, to be honest, what you have just said is a sickening thought I don't dispute that. But (if my memory serves me correctly)she'd still be alive today if the Security Forces didn't put her life in jeopardy TWICE by asking her to spy. She was found out the first time and given a warning then the cops got to her again and forced her to resume spying.

What sort of police force forces a mother of 10 to be an informant in the first place?

Well said !!!

**Lionel Ritchie** · 04/02/2005, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Well, to be honest, what you have just said is a sickening thought I don't dispute that. But (if my memory serves me correctly)she'd still be alive today if the Security Forces didn't put her life in jeopardy TWICE by asking her to spy. She was found out the first time and given a warning then the cops got to her again and forced her to resume spying.

What sort of police force forces a mother of 10 to be an informant in the first place?

Can you quote me one place other than An Phoblacht where those allegations are substantiated? ...or is it one of those "dogs in the street" facts? I have read quite a lot on the troubles/the struggle/whatever -in my time and I've yet to read a single journalist who produced a shred of credible evidence that Jean McConville was a spy.
So the IRA -in it's infinite mercy -gave Jean a yellow card eh? That'd be a first for them then.

Jean McConville was in all likelyhood murdered as a deterent to others who might offer medical assistance, succour or any other petty comfort to a dying member of the security forces. This "spying for the peelers" thing stinks of exactly what it is ...steaming hot horse caca!!!

**Risteard** · 04/02/2005, 12:26 PM

What are ya on about here, Eanna?

Originally Posted by �anna

its a pity unionism couldn't have taken a leap of faith 2 or 3 years ago, when it would have transformed the whole thing.

I think there could be huge divisions in the ira ready to come to the surface.
The DUP can proudly claim responsibility for finally getting rid of the fudge re decommisioning. Fudge and ambiguity in political documents are essential where there are polar opposites but if the GFA was on course all the time, the ira would be gone by now. Its not an ideal world.

I don't get the idea that they know it was the ira without knowing which members it was. I mean they don't go around in tracksuits with ira written on the back. Hugh Ordes statement was very misguided, badly thought out and ill-timed. I mean what did he hope to gain from it like?
Stick to your job.

**pete** · 04/02/2005, 1:04 PM

Not wanting to trivialise the issues being debated but thought great Martyn Turner cartoon in the IT today sums up the recent IRA topics.

**Aldini98** · 04/02/2005, 2:48 PM

Ah theyre right, that ******* Ahern blamed them straight away for the Northern Bank robbery. Sooner the better theres a General Election so we can get rid of that *****

**�anna** · 04/02/2005, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by Risteard

What are ya on about here, Eanna?

i mean when trimble had the chance to make a leap of faith, and move the whole thing forward, but gave into the likes of donaldson etc and went off singing no surrender. that was what started all this crap, and its whats left us in the situationthe process is in now.