What we think of Souness

**liam88** · 02/02/2005, 6:10 PM

There's only one Craig Bellamy!!

**finlma** · 02/02/2005, 7:32 PM

I've nothing against Souness myself but I certainly do against Belamy. He's scum of the earth. The guy is 25 and acts like a spoilt little 16 year old kid.

**liam88** · 02/02/2005, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by finlma

I've nothing against Souness myself but I certainly do against Belamy. He's scum of the earth. The guy is 25 and acts like a spoilt little 16 year old kid.

Aye he's no angel but go on then....what's he done that's so bad?

**finlma** · 02/02/2005, 8:00 PM

He shows a lack of respect for people around him. He's an unpleasant little man that I'd put in the same league (not footballing wise) as Robbie Savage and Lee Bowyer.

**�anna** · 02/02/2005, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

There's only one Craig Bellamy!!

What kind of Irish accents were those fella's singing in? I didn't recognise it

IMO bellamy is an obnoxious little runt, he deserves a good kicking.

As for Souness, I met the guy once and he was an absolute gent. As a manager, he might not be the best, but I admire the way he stands up to little brats like Bellamy and Yorke. He represents a decency and honesty thats missing from a lot of people in modern football

**liam88** · 02/02/2005, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by finlma

He shows a lack of respect for people around him. He's an unpleasant little man that I'd put in the same league (not footballing wise) as Robbie Savage and Lee Bowyer.

I respect that.....I really hope he behaves better at Celtic

**finlma** · 02/02/2005, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

I respect that.....I really hope he behaves better at Celtic

Me too Liamo. There's no question about his ability and he'll definitely score goals in the SPL.

**�anna** · 02/02/2005, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by finlma

he'll definitely score goals in the SPL.

like thats so difficult

seriously though, I can't see martin o'neill putting up with any of his sh�t.

**�anna** · 02/02/2005, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by davros

Yes,but I dont see EL players making that sort of transition......

foran, dempsey, hunt, byrne..............

**razor** · 03/02/2005, 7:48 AM

Originally Posted by davros

the rest are Journeymen @ best,who'd make little or no impact cross-channel in the other Lge!

Isn't that why they're in the SPL?

**Macy** · 03/02/2005, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by davros

Again supplying SPL journeymen is hardly any indication of quality of the EL.....the original point

Yeah, but only Hunt was anything special in the eL either...

**razor** · 03/02/2005, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by davros

Again supplying SPL journeymen is hardly any indication of quality of the EL.....the original point

None of these players set the EL alight either but can make starting 11 in the SPL, showing there isn't that big a gap, if any, between EL and the lower echelons (outside the top 2) of the SPL.

**Bluebeard** · 03/02/2005, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

Yeah, but only Hunt was anything special in the eL either...

I would say that Dempsey had a pretty good season with Waterford before Dunfermline came in for him, when we weren't particularly brilliant.

**Macy** · 03/02/2005, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Bluebeard

I would say that Dempsey had a pretty good season with Waterford before Dunfermline came in for him, when we weren't particularly brilliant.

Not saying they were sh�t, but they weren't exceptional either compared to the rest of the league. They made an easy adjustment to Scotland. That standard of the spl, excluding the Old Firm isn't that great - wtf would Celtic and Rangers be wanting to leave if it was? And if money is the factor, why don't the TV companies want to pay for the spl?

**Junior** · 03/02/2005, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

That standard of the spl, excluding the Old Firm isn't that great - wtf would Celtic and Rangers be wanting to leave if it was? And if money is the factor, why don't the TV companies want to pay for the spl?

Don't think anyone here is disputing that???

**eoinh** · 03/02/2005, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by davros

If you

say so......

The best way then is to compare scottish clubs in europe outside of the big two

Season 02/02

Vaduz v Livingston 1-1, 0-1 (Did better than Longfords terrible performance - something I still like to remind Longford Fans of. Vaduz are crap and they were even more back at this time). Liechtenstein are ranked lower than Ireland.

Aberdeen v Nistru 1-0, 0-0.

Sturm Graz v Livingston 5-2, 3-4 Livingstons Season over in Europe

Aberdeen V Hertha 0-0, 0-1 Aberdeens season over in Europe. Although to be fair they were good opposition
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03-04
Vlaznia Shkoder V Dundee 0-2, 0-4 Not bad although albanian footballs ranking is again below the LOIs.

Dundee V Perugia 1-2, 0-1 Dundee knocked out of europe. Again to be fair they were playing a good team

Hearts v Zeljeznicar 2-0, 0-0. Not bad and against a team from a ranking above the LOI

Bordeaux v Hearts 0-1, 2-0 Hearts season over in europe.
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04-05 FH Hafnarfjardar V Dunfermline 2-2, 2-1 Oh dear! Lost to a team ranked blow LOI standard and the same season an LOI team played against an Icelandic team and won. The result also means that Scotland wont have a team in next seasons champions league and will have to qualify.

Hearts v Braga 3-1, 2-2. Excellent Result especially as Braga are plying extremely well.

Hearts lost 3 of their four matchs in the group stage.

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Over the last three seasons non old firm clubs have only beaten clubs rated above the LOI three times. LOI clubs have managed it twice. Scotish teams however have been seeded because of the Old Firm, LOI teams have not been.

In cases where scottish teams have been unseeded they have only managed to win once, LOI teams have managed to win twice. From my point of view it looks like that when Scottish non old firm teams are put on the same base as LOI teams they seem to perform worse than LOI teams.

Next season all LOI teams for the first time will be seeded.

If you want to combine the Intertoto cup with the other european results, LOI clubs surpass non-firm scottish clubs in euope on all levels.

**razor** · 03/02/2005, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by eoinh

The best way then is to compare scottish clubs in europe outside of the big two

Season 02/02

Vaduz v Livingston 1-1, 0-1 (Did better than Longfords terrible performance - something I still like to remind Longford Fans of. Vaduz are crap and they were even more back at this time). Liechtenstein are ranked lower than Ireland.

Aberdeen v Nistru 1-0, 0-0.

Sturm Graz v Livingston 5-2, 3-4 Livingstons Season over in Europe

Aberdeen V Hertha 0-0, 0-1 Aberdeens season over in Europe. Although to be fair they were good opposition
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03-04
Vlaznia Shkoder V Dundee 0-2, 0-4 Not bad although albanian footballs ranking is again below the LOIs.

Dundee V Perugia 1-2, 0-1 Dundee knocked out of europe. Again to be fair they were playing a good team

Hearts v Zeljeznicar 2-0, 0-0. Not bad and against a team from a ranking above the LOI

Bordeaux v Hearts 0-1, 2-0 Hearts season over in europe.
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04-05 FH Hafnarfjardar V Dunfermline 2-2, 2-1 Oh dear! Lost to a team ranked blow LOI standard and the same season an LOI team played against an Icelandic team and won. The result also means that Scotland wont have a team in next seasons champions league and will have to qualify.

Hearts v Braga 3-1, 2-2. Excellent Result especially as Braga are plying extremely well.

Hearts lost 3 of their four matchs in the group stage.

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Over the last three seasons non old firm clubs have only beaten clubs rated above the LOI three times. LOI clubs have managed it twice. Scotish teams however have been seeded because of the Old Firm, LOI teams have not been.

In cases where scottish teams have been unseeded they have only managed to win once, LOI teams have managed to win twice. From my point of view it looks like that when Scottish non old firm teams are put on the same base as LOI teams they seem to perform worse than LOI teams.

Next season all LOI teams for the first time will be seeded.

If you want to combine the Intertoto cup with the other european results, LOI clubs surpass non-firm scottish clubs in euope on all levels.

If you

say so.

**eoinh** · 03/02/2005, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by davros

Interesting to a point,but essentially dull....as the best SPL players make a poor Scotland side.....haven't seen any evidence of EL players making any realistic breakthrough......

I would assume thats because its easier to make a team thats ranked lower than Honduras and around the same level as Togo than one thats ranked 12th best in the world. The point I made is dull but I would venture - right! .

**eirebhoy** · 03/02/2005, 5:33 PM

Players like Hartson, Sutton and Prso would destroy the LOI.

Look at the only players that got at least 20 goals in the SPL since 95:

Henrik Larsson
Mark Viduka
Marco Negri
Jorge Cadete
Pierre van Hooijdonk

Hartson got 18 premiership goals in 97/98 yet he has never broke that in the SPL. Sutton also got 18 premiership goals in 97/98 yet hasn't got more in the SPL.

Hartson looks like he'll break 20 this season but Sutton and Prso are only on 11 and the league is 65% complete.