Long ball or not? Quality of football

**anto1208** · 03/02/2005, 12:45 PM

rooney did not score from long balls one was a flick on from a keeper kicking it out the other was from a through ball .

ye say a long ball is one of the best moves in foot ball i say watching a team kick 40 long balls and only one comes off is rubbish football . simple fact

the title was nothing to do with me this was a different topic that was moved and re titled by some one i dont know who !!.

now lads dont be silly the standard in the el is terrible from top to bottom a few results in big cup games does nt prove anything .liverpool were embarresed by burnley but no one would dream of saying burnley are better than them . which is the impression im getting by the constant reminder of the few good results in europe ( none of which were convincing )

**�anna** · 03/02/2005, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by anto1208

rooney did not score from long balls one was a flick on from a keeper kicking it out the other was from a through ball .

"a flick on from a keeper kicking it out" How the HELL is that not a long ball? its classic route one!!!!

Originally Posted by anto1208

ye say a long ball is one of the best moves in foot ball i say watching a team kick 40 long balls and only one comes off is rubbish football . simple fact

the object of the game is to score goals and win games- if you hit the ball long and you score from it, its a successful move, therefore.......

Originally Posted by anto1208

now lads dont be silly the standard in the el is terrible from top to bottom a few results in big cup games does nt prove anything .liverpool were embarresed by burnley but no one would dream of saying burnley are better than them . which is the impression im getting by the constant reminder of the few good results in europe ( none of which were convincing )

So how else do you prove yourself? You can only win the games you play. You make absolutely NO sense at all

**�anna** · 03/02/2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by wws

was just about to point out that the title of this thread is ridiculous - a long ball that finds a player on your team is one of the best moves in football

my humble apologies. I stuck that title on when I split it from another thread, because it was a debate about the long ball.

**sadloserkid** · 03/02/2005, 1:58 PM

If Jalmard Kulsten only knew what he'd started...

**wws** · 03/02/2005, 2:02 PM

....if this "Yalmard Kulsten" doesnt play like the new Pele on friday v dublin city im goin to hunt down anto1208 and beat him over the head with a haddock

**anto1208** · 03/02/2005, 3:09 PM

haddock related incidents are on the increase all right !! .

i did nt start this discusion just joined in half way through

**LFC in Exile** · 03/02/2005, 3:27 PM

It seems my comment started it. Lets really stir it up as well. George O'Callaghan is not worth his place in the City staring 11. Nice footballer but no bottle. Goes missing when needed to pull his weight. I know Brian Clough said it's the bad players that are luxuries not the good ones - but the best combination is Roy Keane - no 40 yard passes but no question marks either.

**anto1208** · 03/02/2005, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by �anna

"a flick on from a keeper kicking it out" How the HELL is that not a long ball? its classic route one!!!!

what i was trying to say is the teams that allways play long ball if they have it in midfield they will knock it back to a defender and he will hoof it at the striker , team s that this is there only real means of attack . which in turn because it normally is cleared keeps your defence under pressure . if a team takes the ball down and passes it about it give s the defence a break , and also if the other team keeps closing them down just keep knocking it about they cant chase it for 90 mins .

the object of the game is to score goals and win games- if you hit the ball long and you score from it, its a successful move, therefore.......

so you would be happy to go week in week out watching your team punt the ball up the pitch all day long as long as one of the 100 long balls resulted in a goal . im not going to pay to watch that i want to see teams move it about get down the wings , throught the channels , play balls through and behind defenders.

So how else do you prove yourself? You can only win the games you play. You make absolutely NO sense at all

yes but in knock out cup games the big match effect takes hold this allows smaller teams to play really well for there ability and maybe scrape a result .

a small team getting a once of result in no way means there are better than the other team that have proven them self stime and time again against top europeen teams .
i think it was exeter drew with utd by yer logic this means exeter are as good as man utd !! any one see where im coming from at all

**Slash/ED** · 03/02/2005, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by anto1208

i think it was exeter drew with utd by yer logic this means exeter are as good as man utd !! any one see where im coming from at all

Exeter drew with Man U reserves/youth team who had never played together before, Burley knocked out a Liverpool reserve side that had rarely played together before, it's completley different to results against full strenght, fully motivated, fully fit sides who are used to playing with each other. Seems to be like you're just looking to have a go at the EL any way you can.

**Bald Student** · 03/02/2005, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by anto1208

i think it was exeter drew with utd by yer logic this means exeter are as good as man utd !! any one see where im coming from at all

I do see where you're coming from, and I agree with you. Neither Exeter nor any eL clubs are as good as Manchester United. This is different from saying that Exeter or any eL club play a poor style of football with long balls and only one big man up front. You get teams playing passing football aswell as teams playing long balls in every standard of football competition from the European Cup to the UCD Superleague.

**BohDiddley** · 03/02/2005, 7:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bald Student

I do see where you're coming from, and I agree with you. Neither Exeter nor any eL clubs are as good as Manchester United. This is different from saying that Exeter or any eL club play a poor style of football with long balls and only one big man up front. You get teams playing passing football aswell as teams playing long balls in every standard of football competition from the European Cup to the UCD Superleague.

Sorry if this is wading in way off-topic (perish the thought), but watching Exeter almost turn over ManUre was the most exciting cross-channel football I've watched in quite a while.
It isn't all about watching silky skills, though I did enjoy the glorious nutmeg on whatshisname: their support was brilliant and if you had any heart you couldn't but will them to win. Apart from that, though, it was clear that the difference between the two was not as simple as poor teams hoof it high and squillionaire-owned play it pretty.

**�anna** · 03/02/2005, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

It seems my comment started it. Lets really stir it up as well. George O'Callaghan is not worth his place in the City staring 11. Nice footballer but no bottle. Goes missing when needed to pull his weight. I know Brian Clough said it's the bad players that are luxuries not the good ones - but the best combination is Roy Keane - no 40 yard passes but no question marks either.

nice try. so, you haven't been watching premier division football either

Originally Posted by anto1208

a small team getting a once of result in no way means there are better than the other team that have proven them self stime and time again against top europeen teams .

maybe not. but what else are they supposed to do? They don't play them in the league, they can only beat them when they play them!!!!! Going on your logic, the team who wins the world cup isn't the best team in the world, the team which wins the champions league isn't the best etc etc. You can only win the games you play- no more.

**pete** · 03/02/2005, 9:16 PM

Football is a sport where you don't have to be the tallest or the strongest ior even the quickest. For the vest majority of games played every week its about application & desire.

The eL doesn't have the strength in depth but its top teams & players are a lot better than the knockers would think. Look at how many eL u-21 players play along side their UK based team-mates & often keep Premieship or 1st division first team regulars on the bench.

Uk teams regularily pay good money for u-21 players from countries similar to ireland but eL players somehow overlooked.

**anto1208** · 04/02/2005, 10:18 AM

Going on your logic, the team who wins the world cup isn't the best team in the world, the team which wins the champions league isn't the best etc etc. You can only win the games you play- no more.[/QUOTE]

ok i see your point.

so by your lodgic greece are the best team in europe better than england france spain portugal .

im afraid i cant agree with you on that .

another example would be when france won the world cup but brazil still being ranked no .1

can you see what im saying now . i just want to raise the standard in the el rather than be happy with it at the moment im not trying to knock it .

**wws** · 04/02/2005, 10:25 AM

Greece are better than England and Spain - two of europes poorest ever supposed big name teams - and France arent exactly pulling up trees at the moment in case you havent noticed

please in any football discussion NEVER bring up rankings - rankings w.ankings is wot I say - they are totally meaningless - a lot like the meaningless friendlies that they are based on

**Lim till i die** · 04/02/2005, 10:50 AM

Lads getting back on topic the 1st Division is populated almost entirely by hoofers. Just go to watch Kilkenny or Monaghan or Athlone.. Limerick after playin beautiful football en route to the play-offs the season before last went down the same route last season which leads me to my conclusion that the lack of quality football isnt down to any great lack of a philosophy by mangers or coaches its simply down to poor quality players

If you half a poor team it makes far more sense to play with a 6 foot four centre half and a six foot four centre forward and hoof the ball from one end to the other than to try and play "the beautiful game" with players who arent up to it

**monutdfc** · 04/02/2005, 11:38 AM

Whenever we played football last season it was against the teams at the top of the table. When we beat Dundalk they came out with the old clich�s about "not being allowed to play football" and "you have to kick your way out of this division", based on the assumption that they were Dundalk and had a divine right to play wonderful football (despite the players they had). The 3 best footballing sides were the 3 promoted sides.
On the other hand, people assume that the teams at the bottom play kick and rush and the teams at the top play stylish football. It is not always true. I'll bet that Dublin City will play more kick and rush than any team in the division next season.

**anto1208** · 04/02/2005, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by wws

Greece are better than England and Spain - two of europes poorest ever supposed big name teams - and France arent exactly pulling up trees at the moment in case you havent noticed

please in any football discussion NEVER bring up rankings - rankings w.ankings is wot I say - they are totally meaningless - a lot like the meaningless friendlies that they are based on

im going to stop now i think there is no point disscussing this any more if ye really think greece are better than england and spain , its obvious we have very different ideas of good football

the rankings was used to explain a point , and what just because you think they are meaningless no one else is aloud to talk about them ?!!!!!!