LOI & FAI Cup fixtures w/e 2/9/16

**nigel-harps1954** · 04/10/2016, 10:48 PM

Finn Harps got a point tonight.

I thought this would be headline news.

**patrickccfc** · 05/10/2016, 7:14 AM

Would I be wrong to assume that the positioning of fans will be the opposite to last year, with our fans being on the smaller side? Or how is that decided?

On the attack last night, those scumbags, that bottled a 14 year old and pushed an elderly man to the ground, I hope their caught, named and shamed. Absolutely disgusting.

**GCdfc** · 05/10/2016, 7:48 AM

Great to win last night. Another big day in Landsdowne. It's also great to see Shiels have another rant!

Sad that there was trouble yet again in Derry. I know a lot of people who won't travel there because of safety. http://talkofthetown.ie/dundalk-fans...final-victory/

In a statement Derry-based Sinn F�in councillor Patricia Logue insisted that those responsible for the attacks did not represent the community or Derry City Football Club, instead attributing the incident to a gang “intent on starting trouble, causing injury and damaging property.”

Typical Sinn Fein. Not our problem. Well it is your problem. It is your community where you live. Help get the police in to prevent it from happening again. It's time to drag the city out of the middle ages.

Surely the FAI have to do something about it. Maybe time to give Shiels something else to whine about and have Derry games in a neutral venue.

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 05/10/2016, 7:56 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Finn Harps got a point tonight.

I thought this would be headline news.

We haven't scored in 5 games now and with the run ye had been on 0-0 was an obvious bet (that I didn't do).

**Ezeikial** · 05/10/2016, 8:00 AM

Originally Posted by GCdfc

Surely the FAI have to do something about it. Maybe time to give Shiels something else to whine about and have Derry games in a neutral venue.

This probably should have a separate thread (is there one already existing?)

Why are there insufficient measures in place for the safety of visitors?

**nigel-harps1954** · 05/10/2016, 8:01 AM

A draw was 3/1 before the game. Wish I'd lumped on really.

**GCdfc** · 05/10/2016, 8:10 AM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

This probably should have a separate thread (is there one already existing?)

Why are there insufficient measures in place for the safety of visitors?

Maybe two threads. Kenny Shiels rants probably deserves one by itself.

**White Horse** · 05/10/2016, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

Would I be wrong to assume that the positioning of fans will be the opposite to last year, with our fans being on the smaller side? Or how is that decided?

It is an FAI occasion, so they have to make the call.

Their expectation last year was that Cork would bring a lot more fans than Dundalk, understandably so given that Cork has four or five times the population of Dundalk. It didn't work out that way.

However, I would expect Cork to bring a lot more fans this year. Cork were way off Dundalk last year and many lukewarm fans might have been put off making the long and expensive trip. Cork are a completely different proposition this year as there is nothing between the teams.

**Ezeikial** · 05/10/2016, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by White Horse

Cork are a completely different proposition this year as there is nothing between the teams.

Cork have definitely improved and narrowed the gap this season over last, but this is being a tad generous.......

**El-Pietro** · 05/10/2016, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Cork have definitely improved and narrowed the gap this season over last, but this is being a tad generous.......

Yeah, given that we've beaten you three times this season there clearly is a gap.

**brendy_�ire** · 05/10/2016, 9:29 AM

Well, here we are again. From what I can gather, there was a bit of a shouting match between some Dundalk fans and the local scumbags, and a bottle got thrown which hit a young Dundalk fan.
Separate to that (but likely by the same scumbags), the bus that was parked beside the Gasyard was vandalised.
Whilst the bus incident could have been prevented by parking in the main car park, it doesn't excuse it.
For what it's worth, the young lad is OK, and the Dundalk fans were taken home on one our supporters' club buses.

Fact is that of all LoI grounds, the Brandywell is in the roughest area. The problems aren't related solely to Derry matches (building a bonfire on a dual-carriageway, for example). Other towns have the same issues, but don't have the main football stadium bang in the middle of it. The problems in that area of town will take some solving, and I don't think the club can really do all that much about it.
It was interesting to note that some of the more 'traditional' Republican politicians were about last night, condemning it all. Same fellas a few months ago were quite defensive of them, maybe we're seeing a change?
I wouldn't blame any away fan for not going to the Brandy, it puts enough Derry people off from going to. Fact is though that we're not moving from there, unfortunately, so a big effort is needed locally to sort this out once and for all.

One the match, better team won. Dundalk had less chances, but took what they created. Some complaints about the penalty, but I think it was the correct decision, by the additonal assistant, I might add.
What I've noticed is that whilst the gap between Dundalk and the rest of the league may not be massive, what really helps is that Dundalk don't really make many mistakes. I noticed one obvious one last night. We made countless.
One weird moment was after Kilduff scored and started aggressively goading us. We were left thinking 'we did we do to ye?'. I quite like Kilduff and Dundalk in general, thought it was strange. Kind of reminded me of when Gerard Doherty done the same thing in Turner's Cross. They haven't forgiven him since, it's pretty funny.

**Yossarian** · 05/10/2016, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by patrickccfc

Would I be wrong to assume that the positioning of fans will be the opposite to last year, with our fans being on the smaller side? Or how is that decided?

I would imagine it will be the same. It makes logistical sense having Dundalk fans in the North/East stands as we can exit down Bath Avenue and the buses will be on the road straight to the Eastlink.

**Calcio Jack** · 05/10/2016, 10:21 AM

Hopefully one of the benefits of Brexit will be the removal of Derry from our league as their cavalier look the other way attitude to away fan safety just isn't acceptable and it appears they have no appetite/inclination/or capability of doing anything about it.

**White Horse** · 05/10/2016, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Well, here we are again. From what I can gather, there was a bit of a shouting match between some Dundalk fans and the local scumbags, and a bottle got thrown which hit a young Dundalk fan.
Separate to that (but likely by the same scumbags), the bus that was parked beside the Gasyard was vandalised.
Whilst the bus incident could have been prevented by parking in the main car park, it doesn't excuse it.
For what it's worth, the young lad is OK, and the Dundalk fans were taken home on one our supporters' club buses.

Fact is that of all LoI grounds, the Brandywell is in the roughest area. The problems aren't related solely to Derry matches (building a bonfire on a dual-carriageway, for example). Other towns have the same issues, but don't have the main football stadium bang in the middle of it. The problems in that area of town will take some solving, and I don't think the club can really do all that much about it.
It was interesting to note that some of the more 'traditional' Republican politicians were about last night, condemning it all. Same fellas a few months ago were quite defensive of them, maybe we're seeing a change?
I wouldn't blame any away fan for not going to the Brandy, it puts enough Derry people off from going to. Fact is though that we're not moving from there, unfortunately, so a big effort is needed locally to sort this out once and for all.

One the match, better team won. Dundalk had less chances, but took what they created. Some complaints about the penalty, but I think it was the correct decision, by the additonal assistant, I might add.
What I've noticed is that whilst the gap between Dundalk and the rest of the league may not be massive, what really helps is that Dundalk don't really make many mistakes. I noticed one obvious one last night. We made countless.
One weird moment was after Kilduff scored and started aggressively goading us. We were left thinking 'we did we do to ye?'. I quite like Kilduff and Dundalk in general, thought it was strange. Kind of reminded me of when Gerard Doherty done the same thing in Turner's Cross. They haven't forgiven him since, it's pretty funny.

The organisers of the bus that was attacked are extremely grateful to the stewards of Derry City FC. They came to their rescue when they were cornered in a bar by a mob of yobs. The police were called but would not come to the assistance of the stranded Dundalk fans. There lies the problem. Derry City must play in an area that is policed. This has to be sorted out before the start of next season. This is the fundamental issue.

**White Horse** · 05/10/2016, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Yossarian

I would imagine it will be the same. It makes logistical sense having Dundalk fans in the North/East stands as we can exit down Bath Avenue and the buses will be on the road straight to the Eastlink.

Good thinking. There will be plenty of room for everyone.

**dundalkfc10** · 05/10/2016, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Well, here we are again. From what I can gather, there was a bit of a shouting match between some Dundalk fans and the local scumbags, and a bottle got thrown which hit a young Dundalk fan.
Separate to that (but likely by the same scumbags), the bus that was parked beside the Gasyard was vandalised.
Whilst the bus incident could have been prevented by parking in the main car park, it doesn't excuse it.
For what it's worth, the young lad is OK, and the Dundalk fans were taken home on one our supporters' club buses.

Fact is that of all LoI grounds, the Brandywell is in the roughest area. The problems aren't related solely to Derry matches (building a bonfire on a dual-carriageway, for example). Other towns have the same issues, but don't have the main football stadium bang in the middle of it. The problems in that area of town will take some solving, and I don't think the club can really do all that much about it.
It was interesting to note that some of the more 'traditional' Republican politicians were about last night, condemning it all. Same fellas a few months ago were quite defensive of them, maybe we're seeing a change?
I wouldn't blame any away fan for not going to the Brandy, it puts enough Derry people off from going to. Fact is though that we're not moving from there, unfortunately, so a big effort is needed locally to sort this out once and for all.

One the match, better team won. Dundalk had less chances, but took what they created. Some complaints about the penalty, but I think it was the correct decision, by the additonal assistant, I might add.
What I've noticed is that whilst the gap between Dundalk and the rest of the league may not be massive, what really helps is that Dundalk don't really make many mistakes. I noticed one obvious one last night. We made countless.
One weird moment was after Kilduff scored and started aggressively goading us. We were left thinking 'we did we do to ye?'. I quite like Kilduff and Dundalk in general, thought it was strange. Kind of reminded me of when Gerard Doherty done the same thing in Turner's Cross. They haven't forgiven him since, it's pretty funny.

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Last time our buses were smashed last season, they were parked in the ground and it happened when exiting the ground!

Time for you to play matches behind closed doors or at neutral venue till ya get the problem solved

**El-Pietro** · 05/10/2016, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Kind of reminded me of when Gerard Doherty done the same thing in Turner's Cross. They haven't forgiven him since, it's pretty funny.

And we'll never forget it. Its been 8 and a half years now!

**Ezeikial** · 05/10/2016, 10:55 AM

Thanks brendy �ire for giving your insights.

I sincerely hope that Derry City FC take a more strident approach

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Whilst the bus incident could have been prevented by parking in the main car park, it doesn't excuse it.

Diluting the responsibility?
What attempts did DCFC make to advise travelling fans of this?

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

Fact is that of all LoI grounds, the Brandywell is in the roughest area. The problems aren't related solely to Derry matches (building a bonfire on a dual-carriageway, for example). Other towns have the same issues, but don't have the main football stadium bang in the middle of it. The problems in that area of town will take some solving, and I don't think the club can really do all that much about it.

This simply will not cut it!

If the club are unable or unwilling to resolve this, then the FAI or Licencing body will have to.

**Ezeikial** · 05/10/2016, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by El-Pietro

Yeah, given that we've beaten you three times this season there clearly is a gap.

Oh dear - there was I thinking that they still used the league table!

If Cork finish as champions, I'll doff my cap to you sir. Until then I'll still believe the evidence of my own eyes

**oriel** · 05/10/2016, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by El-Pietro

Yeah, given that we've beaten you three times this season there clearly is a gap.

Ah El P, now behave, it's all about what happens after the fat lady has sung, and she is not even out on stage yet.

We beat Pats twice from 3 league games in 2013 and still finished second to them, a key match was in mid September, when Pats were too strong for Dundalk, won 2-0 and ended up worthy champions.

If Cork win the league, they will also be worthy winners as they will probably have to win again against Dundalk or at least not lose next Tuesday. There are two more games between the two, you could lose both and win nothing, so let's park the 3 wins for now, one of which was a pre season warm up.

The point still remains, Cork have improved this year, no question about that, and they have got closer to the standard Dundalk are at.