I hate the tax man/women

**fosterdollar** · 26/01/2005, 1:12 PM

That's a whole other story. As it happens it's cr@p like the two year wait for planning permission that only reaffirms my stance on the conviction of corrupt authoritarians.

BTW, Joe Duffy has just been speaking to a woman (from Finglas

) who was airing her disappointment that Mountjoy could be moving near her area. Planning process appears to have be expedited despite her son being refused for basic extension recently. Didn't catch the full conversation so please excuse any errors/omissions.

**Macy** · 26/01/2005, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by Magoo

That's a whole other story. As it happens it's cr@p like the two year wait for planning permission that only reaffirms my stance on the conviction of corrupt authoritarians.

Believe me, we were one of the quick ones in Wicklow

In a few years, I garantee they'll be big developments in the surrounding area once the next round of re-zoning (the real corrupt power games) goes through.

If you get the chance, go for a drive around a rural area with a local in 90's (grandparents etc). Let them tell you all the one off houses that were there in the past - you'll genuinely be shocked and wonder what the fook An Taisce and the save the look of the countryside lot are arguing about. Ireland has always had a housing culture of building on family land....

**fosterdollar** · 26/01/2005, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

If you get the chance, go for a drive around a rural area with a local in 90's (grandparents etc). Let them tell you all the one off houses that were there in the past - you'll genuinely be shocked and wonder what the fook An Taisce and the save the look of the countryside lot are arguing about. Ireland has always had a housing culture of building on family land....

You're preaching to the converted here. It stands to reason. There has been substantial sway back to the towns and cities over the last 30/40 years. All those people had to live in houses when they were still in rural areas. Accomodation density in cities (esp. Dublin) has to be affected by(in a more minor way than by others) the difficulites in gaining planning permission in areas such as Co. Wicklow.

**pete** · 27/01/2005, 9:04 AM

I wouldn't think money changes hands for planning permission but i've heard stories of people who couldn't get any permission to build, spoke to local councillor & then suddenly got permission they needed.

Planning permission in certain counties a scam. Around Dingle you can't buy land as an outsider & get permission to build. However you can buy land as a local, get planning permission & then sell to outsider. Means outsiders have to buy derilect cottages if want to build something. Complete scam to make money for locals - prices down there would rival dublin.

**Macy** · 27/01/2005, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by pete

I wouldn't think money changes hands for planning permission but i've heard stories of people who couldn't get any permission to build, spoke to local councillor & then suddenly got permission they needed.

It's standard practice to approach councillors to help your case. All they do is give you a heads up to withdraw before you get a refusal (negative planning history seriously effects your chances of getting it, and the site value). They'd also put your case in terms of need etc. Personally I think it's councillors doing their job, if a constuent asks them to look into it. Very different from a section 12(?) or whatever where councillors vote on it and have a direct influence. However, if you're politically connected, you seem to have much less hassle.

Originally Posted by pete

Planning permission in certain counties a scam. Around Dingle you can't buy land as an outsider & get permission to build. However you can buy land as a local, get planning permission & then sell to outsider. Means outsiders have to buy derilect cottages if want to build something. Complete scam to make money for locals - prices down there would rival dublin.

In Wicklow they have a 10 year clause in the planning permission - you're not allowed to sell within 10 years without their permission (or because a lender needs to sell). Still nothing to stop an outsider buying a cottage, and whats considered an outsider is all up to the planning department. People that have been in the area 20 years, having raised a family who have known nowhere else as home, have trouble over the "local" issue.

**$Leon$** · 27/01/2005, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Conor74

That's standard enough in a lot of places, and was seen as a way of reducing the proliferation of holiday homes that lie vacant for most of the year and do nothing for a rural community. It is now difficult to get planning in many rural areas, they want people to buy in or near towns and villages. So it is difficult to get land outside a town or village and subsequently obtain planning. It is easier for locals, but even they usuallly face a condition that they have to reside in the property for the first 5 or 7 years after construction, so they cannot sell a site but actually have to build and live in the house.

did anyone c da way da government don't need plannin permission for da new jail

**Macy** · 27/01/2005, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Conor74

It is now difficult to get planning in many rural areas, they want people to buy in or near towns and villages. So it is difficult to get land outside a town or village and subsequently obtain planning.

And that's where the policy is wrong. Ultimately I believe it's because if you want to become a planning officer you have to get a qualification in town planning. They haven't really an idea how rural people want to live, or how they have lived in the past for generations i.e. building beside family on family land.

I actually don't have too much problem with the clauses saying you can't sell, or the "local" aspect. They just go to far in what they want (as in the case of the family that have been there for 20 years and still being questioned over it).

**Macy** · 27/01/2005, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Conor74

I thought you just needed a brass neck, ie. the same qualification as auctioneers!

Who'd want to be a planning officer in a rural county - their the rural equivalent of clampers....

**Roo69** · 27/01/2005, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by joey B

I pay no tax whatsoever ha ha the joys of student life

my pay check had 5 figures in it for last month........now whos laughing (cue Dr. Evil laugh !!!!!)

**Peadar** · 27/01/2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Roo69

my pay check had 5 figures in it for last month.

Do all rent boys get paid by cheque?

**pete** · 27/01/2005, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Do all rent boys get paid by cheque?

Hes on account.

I'd be surprised if eL clubs really paying all the tax they shoudl be paying.

Was reading Indo this week & some GAA writter suggesting their plauyers could get tax free allowance for their "contribution to society" so would be a TFA on zero earnings from GAA.

**Roo69** · 27/01/2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Do all rent boys get paid by cheque?

Now now ! no need to be jealous. The joy of sales my friend

**Macy** · 27/01/2005, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Roo69

The joy of sales my friend

5 figures this month, sod all the next?

**Schumi** · 27/01/2005, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by in_da_red

On the subject on tax. Why hasnt the goverment given tax incentives to Eircom League clubs ? They've done it for the multi-million euro sport that is horse racing. Artists/writers dont have to pay tax..U2 etc earn millions tax free.

I think the players can get the tax they paid back after 10 years. I think they have to be playing here for 10 years consecutively but I could be wrong on that.

**Roo69** · 27/01/2005, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

5 figures this month, sod all the next?

Yeah only if your not good at it. Have yet to miss a target so no worries from this end. plues that fact that people need to use our company's services ALL the time

**Macy** · 27/01/2005, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Roo69

Yeah only if your not good at it. Have yet to miss a target so no worries from this end. plues that fact that people need to use our company's services ALL the time

Yeah, but you'll end up washed up like Jack Lemon in Glengarry Glenross