2 el clubs refused licences

[wws]

"the eL fails yet again, clubs shít as well as the standard of football"
signed john delaney

ps

isnt the umbro deal deadly - the boys in green will love that - if i can get brian robson in as manager now and maybe negotiate a second pay off package for mick mccarthy i'll have done my bit.....

[pineapple stu]

My understanding was that most of the revisions in the document issued in November 04 related to WEAKENING the infrastructure requirements and the main body of the document was unchanged.

Think that's right - most items downgraded from B requirement (essential for Premier Division) to C requirement (sanctions may be taken if they're not in place, but we're not gonig to stop you playing in the league).

Not having a go at Derry here obviously, but where does this leave them? They got the licence last year, why didn't they get it this year if the requirements are weakened?

[OneRedArmy]

over 400 questions to be completed and records to be found - to my eyes thats unreasonable

Why is 400 questions unfair?

The Licensing Regulations are trying to raise the administration and general running standards of EL clubs to a standards operated by well run businesses, because thats what large football clubs are, businesses.

As Steve said, if you were specifically asked for originals and you sent copies, you
a) can't read correctly
b) can't be arsed complying with the requirement
c) don't have the originals

Its disappointing that no club got a license for the second year running and indicates that something is fundamentally wrong. I don't know what this is but would suggest its one or a combination of
a) the FAI moving the goalposts (pardon the pun) from last year and not communicating the level of compliance required
b) the clubs consistently underestimating the work and detail required.

It doesn't make the FAI, EL and the clubs look good in the short-term, but if the long-term benefit is better run clubs and better stadia then it is a pain worth going through.

[OneRedArmy]

Think that's right - most items downgraded from B requirement (essential for Premier Division) to C requirement (sanctions may be taken if they're not in place, but we're not gonig to stop you playing in the league).

Not having a go at Derry here obviously, but where does this leave them? They got the licence last year, why didn't they get it this year if the requirements are weakened?

Derry actually got it on appeal last year.

Everyone else got it on the second procedurally-dodgy-hastily-convened-co-opt-anyone-appeal-of-the-appeal.

We initially failed last year because as a Northern Ireland company, subject to N.I corporate and legal framework, different rules apply. Eg we would be unable to get a tax clearance cert as available in the Republic, as we are not under the jurisdiction of the Revenue Commissioners. However, there are other functions for demonstrating tax compliance in N.I, not least the fact that the UK Revenue have sought winding up orders on quite a number of N.I. football clubs over the years (ourselves included a few years ago).

[patsh]

I don't know what the manual stipulated, but if clubs were asked to supply ORIGINALS of documents, and instead they only sent COPIES, should they be surprised if they get turned down ? If you tried to open a bank account or get a mortgage and they asked to see originals of pay slips etc, who would be to blame if you only offered them copies and they rejected your application ?.

No they wouldn't reject your application, they would contact you, say "Can you send me the originals" and then they would evaluate your application. They wouldn't write to you saying "we are very diasaapointed that you couldn't reach our criteria". They would try to HELP you achieve your aim, especially if you were cliose to it.

I'm actually glad everyone failed - if only in that it doesn't create a feck-up regarding some teams getting it and some not. It's good for someone to say 'no' to clubs in our league, as there's too much of the 'aul wink, nudge 'sure you don't really need to worry about that' attitude around. A kick up the ass all round is a good thing in my mind.

And now the inevitable decision where every club will get a licence, and the whole thing like some local parish council decision "are shure we'll let them have a licence anyway, or else we won't have a league". That really promotes confidence in out clubs.
And the worst of all is that CNUT Delaney is probably thrilled at being able to damage our clubs even further. B*STARD....

[Ronnie]

Trickky next step - possible scenarios, all clubs get a license, no club gets a license, some get a license, some prem clubs only get First Div licence, some first div clubs get premier licence!

[Breifne]

If the requirements were approved and distributed at the end of November - especially given that it's closed-season, so no games to worry about, and with the transfer window closed not much else to be dividing people's attentions - then is 6-8 weeks not sufficient time (allowing for Christmas) to provide info on arguably the most important document any club will possess ?

The manual was distributed on 26th November, the application deadline was the 17th of December. thats not 6-8 weeks.

The other problem with this was that last year the accounts deadline was after christmas, hence after the end of the trading and tax year on 31st December. this time, its not, Dublin City had to submit accounts prior to the deadline date. This is not possible. they will be in in time for the appeal, and we will be given a licence.

I'd say their may be a few clubs who would love to be in our situation......