article about licensing in the indo

[patsh]

What country are we posting in, the Free State or the People's Republic of Cork?

Nice one!

[wws]

answering every post with "ure obssessed" is just insulting my intelligence with what little you have of your own
counter ANYTHING I say by all means - but ffs use some imagination or thought in your replies

it was a cheap shot at his waistline, granted - but ppl take him and his pronouncements too pompously around these parts - on any cursory examination a lot of wot he comes out with is pure blarney! in its purest form!


back on topic - licensing - to the poster that said matching funding cant be done away with - oh yes it can - and has - if theres a will theres a way - the GAA have by passed most requirements and been given "no strings" gifts - in relation mainly to croke park (on a local level sporting organisations in constituencies of prominent ministers always bypass the letter of the conditions of grant aid - its a fact of life in this country)

Enforcing licensing without even handed infrastructural support is simply wrong and defeats any purpose to the scheme. It really is a matter for the FAI to bargain a granta aid programme from government - otherwise like last year - they can fck off with their licensing requirements

[jofyisgod]

It really is a matter for the FAI to bargain a granta aid programme from government - otherwise like last year - they can fck off with their licensing requirements

Agree 100%-clubs are almost being dumped up shít creek without a paddle.
If we did this properly, i doubt anyone would get a sodding licence. It's shoddy and almost certainly too early for most clubs.

[Longfordian]

The stupidest part of the licensing process was the clubs voting in the manual unanimously then finding they couldn't comply with it, our manual is, on paper, one of the most extensive submitted to UEFA

[harry crumb]

I think finance is a good area to focus on as too often in recent times clubs are getting into difficulties with wages and there is a lack of long term thinking.

Kilkenny are a great example of a club living within their means. They are gradually improving their stadium and have a long term strategy. Ok they might not be setting the league alight, but compare their finances to Shamrock Rovers or Dundalk.

[holidaysong]

I think finance is a good area to focus on as too often in recent times clubs are getting into difficulties with wages and there is a lack of long term thinking.

Kilkenny are a great example of a club living within their means. They are gradually improving their stadium and have a long term strategy. Ok they might not be setting the league alight, but compare their finances to Shamrock Rovers or Dundalk.

Our recent bad press with the pfai over wages ain't going to do us any favours in the finance area - the one area they marked as focusing on..

[Macy]

Our recent bad press with the pfai over wages ain't going to do us any favours in the finance area - the one area they marked as focusing on..

In fairness, your bad press was a result of you not honoring wages, rather than the fault of the players union.

[holidaysong]

In fairness, your bad press was a result of you not honoring wages, rather than the fault of the players union.

I didn't mean to imply it was their fault for mouthing off about it, they were entitled to do it but if the FAI are focusing on finance and making sure players are paid etc before a licence is granted we may not be able to make such assurances.

[dcfcsteve]

I didn't mean to imply it was their fault for mouthing off about it, they were entitled to do it but if the FAI are focusing on finance and making sure players are paid etc before a licence is granted we may not be able to make such assurances.

Not having a go at Dundalk, and I'd hate to see anything happen to the club, but there should be no way in the world a club that can't even assure the FAI that its players will be paid should be allowed in the league. It makes everyone else look amateurish, and gives the whole league a bad name. Could also feck-up the fixture schedule if such a team was to bomb-out mid-season.

Are any other clubs in this boat as well (Rovers ?) ?

[Colm]

See the "no other club will ever be as big as Cork City" within this thread as further evidence of the burgeoning over importance which unfortunately has become prevalent amongst some(and there are loads of exceptions) of the "Rebel Army"

In fairness, while that statement may come accross as being a little OTT, it is actually probably true. Whether you like it or not at the moment Cork City are by far the biggest club in the country and I think the only other club with the potential to be as big is Derry.
As for wws and his obsessed ramblings, we should be used to the jealous SPA fans by now lads. They'd love to have Dolan back but instead they are stuck with some Jackeen traveller lookalike nobody who won't be able to stop their clubs decline. The jealousy is best ignored.

Anyway, back to licensing. I heard last week that only 4 premier clubs (of which City were one) were taking it seriously and submitted their application on time. If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt it, it is a joke and shows what a shambles the FAI and so many clubs in our league are.

[wws]

thats the nature of league of ireland football

all clubs are living beyond their means - even shels - the envy of every other club are openly speculating



football, especially league of ireland football does not offer consistent - constant revenue streams - every club that kicks of this new season will be praying for a good run, a good cup run - any revenue - none of them will have a budget which exactly matches their weekly outgoings every week

people are really missing the point here

[wws]

Anyway, back to licensing. I heard last week that only 4 premier clubs (of which City were one) were taking it seriously and submitted their application on time. If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt it, it is a joke and shows what a shambles the FAI and so many clubs in our league are.

so a club who insist on substandard training facilities is taking it seriously

get off the high horse - no structured grant aid is forthcoming so we're ALL in a mess - and licensing is pure pr window dressing

[Colm]

so a club who insist on substandard training facilities is taking it seriously

get off the high horse - no structured grant aid is forthcoming so we're ALL in a mess - and licensing is pure pr window dressing

As I said 4 clubs are taking it seriously (or as seriously as they can possibly take it) and Cork City are one of those clubs. You can guess at least one more of them. The fact that clubs like Pats and Rovers are allowed hold everything up is a disgrace.

[patsh]

answering every post with "ure obssessed" is just insulting my intelligence with what little you have of your own
counter ANYTHING I say by all means - but ffs use some imagination or thought in your replies

How can I insult your "intelligence" when you display none whatsoever?
Your "intelligent" post about UEFA club licencing consisted of a ridiculous statement about Cork City and a cheap, petty shot at Pat Dolan, which is the norm for most of your postings.

In any discussion thread, I will agree/disagree with any posts you can muster up on the topic. However, endless digs at CCFC/Pat Dolan, no matter what the thread, deserve nothing but the contempt I have already expressed.

[holidaysong]

Not having a go at Dundalk, and I'd hate to see anything happen to the club, but there should be no way in the world a club that can't even assure the FAI that its players will be paid should be allowed in the league. It makes everyone else look amateurish, and gives the whole league a bad name. Could also feck-up the fixture schedule if such a team was to bomb-out mid-season.

Are any other clubs in this boat as well (Rovers ?) ?

Although maybe they should, I doubt the FAI would kick us out.

[wws]

As I said 4 clubs are taking it seriously (or as seriously as they can possibly take it) and Cork City are one of those clubs. You can guess at least one more of them. The fact that clubs like Pats and Rovers are allowed hold everything up is a disgrace.

your basis for that assertion?
aside from rambling speculation now.
The only hard facts we have are from your manager - you train in substandard facilities according to him - I wonder what Packie Bonner has to say when marking the "sporting set up" column

substandard facilities - yeah - leading the way - taking it seriously!

[patsh]

Are any other clubs in this boat as well (Rovers ?) ?

Are Bohs in trouble? Not to the same extent as Rovers maybe, but there seems to be a lot of concern on their mb about finance.

[Macy]

In fairness, while that statement may come accross as being a little OTT, it is actually probably true. Whether you like it or not at the moment Cork City are by far the biggest club in the country and I think the only other club with the potential to be as big is Derry.

Ah come one, it's not that long since Cork were getting smaller crowds than the Dublin clubs they now claim to be dwarfing.

[SÓC]

Ah come one, it's not that long since Cork were getting smaller crowds than the Dublin clubs they now claim to be dwarfing.

TBH not really.

Even when things were "going badly" for us post Bishopstown we'd still have the some of the highest attendances going, alot with Pats (at the time) and Derry (depending on how they were doing). Of course there were ups and downs but if you did out an average over the past say 8 seasons I'd put down a fair few quid in saying that City would come out on top

But then again we'll never know since attendances dont have to be reported publicly

[Colm]

Ah come one, it's not that long since Cork were getting smaller crowds than the Dublin clubs they now claim to be dwarfing.

Not really Macy. Even at our lowest points we still got at least as much as the Dublin clubs if you were to work out the averages.

Up until a few years ago we were getting small enough away crowds alright but now we have by far the biggest away support aswell.

Anyway, lets try and keep this on topic from now on. So licensing...........