Sinn Fein stuff

[exile]

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In the context of the work to conclude a comprehensive agreement, the leadership of Óglaigh na hÉireann decided:

since when does the ira go on peace missions around the world

[joey B]

If evidence was found that the IRA did not carry out the robbery surely Hugh Orde would have to resign and public apologies would be the order of the day.

I believe that Hugh Orde jumped the gun in expressing his believe that IRA carried out the robbery he should have carried out a full private investigation of the crime gathered all possible evidence and then made his assertions in public, surely all possible culprits should have throulghy investigated and they could not of done this in such a short space of time.

[SÓC]

They already did. The IRA statement below delivered all that and more but the Unionists and certain elements down here couldn't stomach it. Also everyone seems to forget that NOBODY is being killed in the North. Are people suffering from collective amnesia when it comes to the bad old days?

Ahhh no Im not denying that things are 100,000 times better but why do they still have to go on holding onto the guns, why do they feel the need to carry out spying opperations on TDs in the Republic!?! Why kill innocent Gardaí and then call for the release of the scum that did it. Why do they engage themselves in criminal activities. Why do they beat the fcuk out of people with baseball bats in the name of justice. Give it all up. Let the fcukers have their little photo if they say thats the only reason why it aint happening. Let them call it humiliation if they want.

Give the Unionist what they claim they need and then watch them squirm when they wont have a bloody clue what to do then. EG when asked what would happen if the Catholic population increased to such an extent that they could out vote the Unionists/Loyalists a senior DUP source said they'd have to repartition obviously
They are politically weak but they can always point to the PIRA and their guns. They'd be shown up for the biggots that they are (well some of them).

Lets move on and create proper democratic structures in the 6 counties and peace and justice for all. As long as the DUP and their southern media and political cronies continue to dictate the agenda the chances of a return to the bad old days increase all the time. As someone pointed out above - if the democrats in SF are spurned at every turn then the Slab Murphys of this world will start to take control. And nobody wants that. Do they?

hear hear. I agree 100%
The only question is how do you move on? How can you move on when certain elements on both sides still have their finger on the trigger.

Interesting point about the southern media though. I think at times SF get off lightly down here; see the Ó Snodaigh thing and at times they dont; Northern Bank. IMO certain senior reporters dont want to damage their realtionships with exclusive sources at times but thats just me wildly speculating

[dahamsta]

I've edited the title of this thread. I'm sick to death of seeing people use thread titles and posts to intentionally stir the pot. From now on I'll be binning threads that take this route. Either debate topics like an adult or do it elsewhere.

adam

[Peadar]

I'm sick to death of seeing people use thread titles and posts to intentionally stir the pot.

adam

Any chance of a sub folder of Off Topic called "Politics 'n' Stuff"?
It all gets a bit depressing sometimes.

[JohnB]

As is often the case, I'm really disturbed that there seems to be the notion on this forum that somehow IRA murders north of the border were acceptable whereas those south of the border were not.

I don't see Sinn Fein changing anytime soon. They don't see themselves or the IRA as capable of criminal activity; all of their actions are necessary and carried out because of the injustices of the past .

As for them getting a large vote in NI, I'm not surprised, they campaign under the banner of 'a vote for peace'. Unfortunately, the irony of that is lost on many of the young, middle class nationalists who've swallowed the line hook line and sinker.

[liam88]

Isn't Adams thinking of running for president in 2011? He'll want to get McCabe's death sorted by then....can't see him winning though anyway

[dahamsta]

Any chance of a sub folder of Off Topic called "Politics 'n' Stuff"?
It all gets a bit depressing sometimes.

I'm seriously tempted.

[dortie]

Dortie,

but we do actually give a damn about the disgusting comments from McLaughlin and the Provos disregard of the democratic will of the vast majority of people on the island for peace.

Provisonal Sinn Fein/PIRA have no place in the democratic process as long as they engage in their criminal acts and keep private paramilitary armies that are an affront to our civil liberties and the institution of the state as a whole.

I see that you are an apologist for crime lords like Slab Murphy and his disgusting fascist cohorts that ply their sick trade and fortune off the backs of the misery of others. These sectarian monsters should never be accomodated in any political settlement. If Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness have any vestige of political priniciple, they should jettison the likes of the Slab Murphy's and join the rest of us in democratic process.



FF/PSF coalition will never happen

The thing is they dont give a damn what others think either, their as much Irish and entitled to their opinion as their critics. Democracy as you call it.

Provisional Sinn Fein DO have a place in the democratic process, the reason, they have a massive mandate to do so. Unlike the Workers Party who did not contribute anything to Irish politics.

Who said I was an apologist for 'Slab Murphy', is this the new name you came up with lately from your biased novels/media on the IRA ?

Personally I couldnt give a damn if the FF/PSF coalition didnt happen, I dont vote SF anymore but I am a Republican and will always respond to pro-British and anti-republican remarks.

[dortie]

Eanna- Mitchel McLaughlin is merely a preprogrammed soundbyte machine in the SF mould. He may have political nous as if you listen to archive interviews with him you will find that he trots out the same phrases again and again and any attempt to get him to answer the question posed or to challenge the answer given seems him riled and return to script. I would qestion your belief in McLaughlin's obvious intelligent, as with the modern SF the spin is more than the substance of their argument. It is the same with a number of SF politicians, as you could see with how frustrated Adams and McGuinness have become in certain interviews over the last week when their credibility has been challenged.

The Shinners have been dealt a great deal of respect over the last few year and the number of searching interviews could be counted on one hand. The last few weeks has seen a reverse in this process with interviewer not prepared to merely accept their word, and it hasn't pleased them one bit

And tell us who you believe will move Republicans away from armed struggle ? It sure as hell wont be the failed SDLP, who apart from great economic policies have had no Interest/Influence on the question of Irish Unity. As I said earlier, Im not a SF lover of any sort anymore but I believe their political spokesmen have alot more to offer than the Alex Atwoods and Mark Durkans of this world.

[dortie]

That'll be the day I hand in my card if PSF and the PIRA continue donw the road they are currently on.

And what roads that......constitutional politics ?
I know a large number of Republicans who think they have gone too far as it is. Thats what gets to me about all this anti SF carry on. Adams and McGuinness are treading on a fine line in terms keeping the majority of their support with them. The Mr Ordes, Aherns and Paisleys of this world are only proving one thing at the minute.........their going nowhere in the political arena.

[Duncan Gardner]

Eanna/ Da' hamsta:

While you're at it (editing out rude puns on the name 'Sinn Fein'), any chance of a similar cull on 'osc' etc.?

Gerry running for la Presidente? When's the sex-change operation?

Dortie: nice to see you respecting democratic mandate from the voters. I expect to see you in talks with Dodds and Greg Campbell any day now...

[JohnB]

Ah,the infamous osc.'moral high ground'..................some loyalists would only be happy if nationalists were back in their 'submissive' role,with patent disregard for the indigeneous population!This conveniently disregards the context through which the activities of their paramilitary cohorts & the not unsurprising reaction of the,er,natives.

Until this is grasped by the 'planters',as the overall reason why the nationalists indulged in 'armed struggle',it's hardly surprising that everything the latter do,is subject to loyalist 'impartial' scrutiny!Suggest the Unionist/loyalist community put their own house in order,before they start lecturing others.........

PS.osc= 'Occupied Six Counties' A statement of fact!TAL!

Same old, same old from you Davros. Just as there was no need for British soldiers to shoot civilians on Bloody Sunday, so there was no reason for the IRA to murder in the variety of ways that they did. Unlike yourself, I recognise that whataboutery gets us nowhere.

My remarks were aimed specifically at comments made on this forum and, I'd be equally quick to complain if the situation was reversed i.e murders north of the border being seen as more repellant than those south of the border.

[JohnB]

Fair enough,but your Loyalist mates ...... they'll be feeling all left out,now you didnt give them a mention?Whataboutery indeed.....

I have no loyalist mates and don't feel the need to balance every post. But just for your benefit I'll make it clear that, to my mind, loyalists gangsters and murderers are as repellant as their republican brothers in arms.

[dahamsta]

If this is going to continue as a back and forth between the two of you, take it to PM please.

adam

[JohnB]

Next you'll be saying yer in favour of a united Ireland,then
Anyway,if you want to take the 'osc moral high ground',it would be as well to add some balance?

Have to agree with dahamsta on this one. I'll see you on another thread.

[Peadar]

Happy to take it anywhere...

You're like a dog with a bone, Dav.

[Peadar]

If I were the News of the World I could take this comment;

Happy to take it anywhere

couple it with the reports that you promised to "get lubed up for the lads" and make a four page exclusive on the demise of the "Little Budda".