on a lighter note - perhaps if anything should have been thrown it should have been aimed at Dudek!!I mean what the fudge was going on there! If it had of been Bruce Grobbelaar the betting police would have nabbed him at halftime!
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Three rubbish films to bootOriginally Posted by Aldini98
On a side issue, anyone that thinks a Best Of is their favourite CD needs a slap in the face. Try buying their catalogue
That's the desk covered in tea after reading that.
The scousers were giving Rooney abuse, he scores and holds his ears out (a little bit more), and then they go running to the plod. Small time from what used to be a big club.
btw the Police have dismissed all complaints, as shockingly holding your own ears isn't actually an offence.
Incidentally, great to see more consistency by the FA, re: Gerrards elbow on Scholes. Nice of the BBC to totally cut it from their highlights as well, I'm sure if it had been the other way round it wouldn't have made the cut either
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Incidentally, great to see more consistency by the FA, re: Gerrards elbow on Scholes. Nice of the BBC to totally cut it from their highlights as well, I'm sure if it had been the other way round it wouldn't have made the cut either
In the interests of fairness, it was also great to see sky fail to show the Sami Hypia penalty incident again during commentary
re: Scholes - wasn't it Mr. Ferguson who said the Bolton lad Ben Haim was a disgrace to football for falling over like a sack of spuds after minimal contact - pot, kettle, black are words that spring to mind!
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Yeah, Scholes rolled around on the floor for 3 minutes too
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In fairness, I do believe it's Ole Gunner who actually holds the roll around record for his antics when campbell tickled his face 2 years back but sure we all know Utd don't dive about, it's Pires who does all that!
Was actually refreshing to see Rooney stay on his feet before being substituted!!
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I dont know there seem to be a lot of divers in the Premier League these days, this notion that its "just done on the continent", "just in foreign leagues", etc doesnt really ring true now.In fairness, I do believe it's Ole Gunner who actually holds the roll around record for his antics when campbell tickled his face 2 years back but sure we all know Utd don't dive about, it's Pires who does all that!
Was actually refreshing to see Rooney stay on his feet before being substituted!!
Watching Alex Ferguson go off in a strop after the Porto match last season was a fairly amusing sight, if only for the audacity of him... He might have had a point over the 90 mins but someone should tell him you reap what you sow, and any team that has Van Nistelroy and Cristiano Ronaldo in it cant really complain about opposition diving. I guess he's just bitter that as sun's setting on his team's years of domestic dominance he sees he's only managed the one Champions League. Hence the failure is blamed on the antics of the opposition, and the real issues (eg poor goalkeepers, expensive flops, failure to replace players sold and an ageing team) are brushed under the carpet.
There's an ariel picture of the riot in one of Liverpools Official history books (it's updated and re-released every year, I think the authors name is Stephen Kelly). It shows a number of fans in the thick of it wearing jerseys of certain London clubs. There is a fan who was quite clearly wearing an Arsenal jersey for example. Don't recall seeing any Chelsea tho, but they would be harder to see, as the Arsenal jersey is quite prominant in style.
Most people know that a section of Liverpool fans rioted at Heysel stadium which riot led to the deaths of 39 Italians. There has been some rash of conspiracy theories alright - remarkably I've even seen Chelsea fans blamed.
Having said that, the issue regarding Rooney is a storm in a teacup. Maybe find and ban the fan that threw the phone but that's about it, certainly doesn't merit sanctioning the club.
Up to Heysel, there was no previous history of Liverpool fans misbehaving in Europe, or England for that matter, and thats after winning 4 European cups and a UEFA cup. Then all of a sudden Heysel? The people who started the riot were not Liverpool fans, but genuine Liverpool fans did get caught up in the midst of it. "Fans" who were members of the national front travelled to the game and started the riot. These are the same fans that rioted big time at Euro 88 a year later, and went on to cover themselves and England in glory for many years afterwards in supporting the English football team abroad. While this hooliganism has been curbed in recent years, would it be fair to say that the English "fans" that rioted at Lansdowne are a true reflection of English football supporters, seeing that we know now that it was Combat 18 that orchestrated that riot? I don't think so. Similarily, Liverpools glorious history should not be blotted by the same idiots that rioted at Heysel.
.................................will believe what they want to believe, believe what the media feed them. I suppose ye believe what the S*n spouted out about Hillsborough as well?
EDIT: By the way, I'll try and get hold of that book next time I get home so I can scan in the picture that I'm talking about. Might shut a few people up here
Last edited by Gary; 19/01/2005 at 12:52 PM. Reason: make your point without namecalling please
Maybe you should try telling that to authors of the various books about the Liverpool firms. Every club, bar none, in England had firms and there was trouble at most matches (and still is, including those involving Liverpool). All of those charged after Heysel were from Merseyside (presumably all Evertonians?).
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
normally I would agree - throwing a mobile phone at a player is out of order and the perpetrator should be punished.
HOWEVER an exception should be made as Wayne Rooney was the target.
He deserves it.
Strange to think that a few hours earlier we had been playing footy with the Juventus fans in the road outside the stadium. A few hours later we were pulling the bodies of Juventus fans out from under that wall.
I didn’t realise how heavy cement and brick could be. But when a piece of wall is lying across the chest of middle aged man you get an extra strength. You can lift in a way you could never do in any other circumstance.
I couldn’t understand a word his mate said but he was crying and he was leaning on me and sobbing in great chunks of raw emotion. We didn’t know what the hell was happening.
I was at the ground as a radio reporter for a Liverpool radio station covering the match from the terraces. I was picked because I was also a Liverpool fan. My job was to add atmosphere pieces to the commentary from my colleagues in the box high above the pitch.
I had travelled on the train with the rest of the Liverpool fans. I had my carrier bag with clean underwear, a toothbrush and some chocolate and some beer.
We got there early. We played footy in that big dual carriageway outside the ground. The Juventus fans were great fun, we felt close to them in that unique way only European football can create.
For some reason they let us in early - so very early. I think it was about half four in the afternoon when we climbed the crumbling concrete steps to stand on the decaying open terrace that was the Liverpool end of the Heysel Stadium.
It was hot in the uncovered end. And although it is always fun waiting for a match to start, three hours was far, far, far too long.
There was a chicken wire fence separating the Liverpool fans and the Juventus fans in the XYZ section. They had the small bit. Most of their fans, including the dreaded Ultra Force, were behind the other goal on the far side. We sang our hearts out and got through the whole repertoire before the atmosphere changed.
Rockets, the type you get on bonfire night, were fired into the Liverpool fans. Next to me was a typical Liverpool granny with a knitted bobble hat, a shopping bag with a flask of tea and a dolly dressed in Liverpool’s colours and pinned to her red coat.
She meant no harm yet she was a target. The fireworks rained in on us. Some panicked. The terracing was poor, the concrete was crumbling, the crush barriers too far and few between. I wanted to protect her. But we were tumbling forward and I lost contact.
The only thing separating us from the Juventus fans was a thin strip of what could only be described as wire netting. The fans got restless, partly through the heat, partly through boredom and partly because they were fed up of being sitting ducks for the fireworks raining down on them. Then the abuse started. The Juventus fans behind the chicken wire chanting, the Liverpool fans responding.
And all would have been fine had it not been for the police. The rubbish Belgian police who were armed to the teeth but had no bottle.
I was standing next to an undercover Merseyside police officer who I had got to know in those terrible moments as the disaster unfolded. In those seconds he told me that six Liverpool bobbies could have held the crowd back by linking arms.
Instead the Belgian police with riot gear and clubs ran away from the fans. Yes they actually ran away from the Liverpool fans! What sort of policing is that? You charge the fans with your riot shields, helmets, visors and clubs and then you leg it when the fans turn on you? So what happens then? What happened when a bunch of fans push forward and the police run away? Well it is not bloody rocket science! What happens is the fans keep pushing forward. And what happens when thousands of fans push forward and the only thing separating them from the Juventus fans is chicken wire? Well obviously the chicken wire falls down. And what happens then is that the Juve fans run, the wall falls, people die and the authorities wade in and start to blame.
Nobody wanted death. Nobody wanted to see an Italian hurt. Why oh why did it have to happen? It unfolded like a preordained chapter in a particularly nasty Steven King novel. There was no stopping the event. Looking back it feels like it was slow motion. It was chilling, cold, gut wrenchingly awful. It was a horror movie acted out in slow motion but the difference was that the blood and pain were real.
My dad had died a few months earlier. My wife to be was back home watching it on the TV but, as was the custom, had the sound turned down and the local radio station on for the commentary.
The commentators, my mates, said they had a reporter in the XYZ section but that they hadn’t heard from him. They hoped he would be ok but there was no way I could confirm that. My broadcasting equipment was wrecked and anyway I was too busy helping out.
I crossed the fence and, along with many of the soon to be maligned Liverpool fans, tried to help.
We tore away at concrete, cement and brick with our bare hands. We helped the paramedics drag bodies out of the debris. I had to hug an hysterical Italian woman who had lost a loved one. I had to keep moving, acting, instinctive animal reactions responding to an unfolding nightmare.
And then I was outside by an ambulance and we were walking on to that dual carriageway where we had played footy with the Juventus fans and danced the conga hours earlier.
And as the ambulance drove off the police descended. I saw them running at me. They had long sticks like large bamboo canes. They waded in. They didn’t want to hear what had happened. They wanted to hit and hit hard.
I still have an indentation at the top of my legs where the cane came down. I fell to the ground that the police trampled me under foot.
I had no idea what was going on in the ground. I didn’t care whether the match took place or not. I wanted to make sure all the Italian fans were rescued and that the Liverpool fans were safe.
Then the Ultra Force descended. They were masked with bicycle chains. We ran. An elderly woman wanted my help getting away. We found a railway station, I think it was called Jetta. I seem to remember there was a train to Ostend. It pulled in and left. Dozens of fans got on. I stayed where I was.
More fans arrived, dazed, frightened and traumatized. I got on the next train with them. It was a silent journey. I can remember no more. I can’t remember how I got home, I can’t remember the journey.
I remember a bar in Ostend and someone telling me Juventus had beaten Liverpool 1-0 in the European cup final. I didn’t give a toss.
YNWA Liverpool, YNWA Juventus
I think Euro 88 was 3 years after Heysel and not a year later but I could be wrong on this, I doubt it though.
Makes a change from the "it wasn't us, it was chelsea" line...
I've heard it all now.
It was the police's fault for not charging the Liverpool fans - they weren't violent enough with the people causing the violence!
The things people will do to blame others.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
I've heard it all now.
It was the police's fault for not charging the Liverpool fans - they weren't violent enough with the people causing the violence!
The things people will do to blame others.
show some respect !!
You know ABSOLUTELY nothing about what happened apart from what you read.....or better....what you choose to read. You sad bitter child.
The twenty six Liverpool fans charged over Heysel were scapegoats. Im not saying liverpool fans were innocent. I am saying Liverpool AND Juve AND the police on that day were ALL to blame
The faults of Heysel run deep, with a corrupt UEFA choosing a stadium based on political expediency and backhanders, a stadium that was so dilapidated it was not fit to host a game of schoolgirl netball never mind a European Cup Final. They lie with the Belgian authorities whose corruption allowed a national stadium to deteriorate into such a state of disrepair yet never did anything to discourage such major events. They more than anyone knew that Heysel was a time-bomb waiting to explode, yet continued to exploit the situation for personal and national financial gain. It lies with the Belgian police whose professional ineptitude meant that there were little if any proper security measures in place at the stadium, who panicked faced with a manageable crowd control problem.
I know you get your sad little kicks from making up anything you can about Liverpool Football Club just to rise a few members in here....thats fair enough.... BUT i would ask you to keep your views on this sensitive subject to yourself please....clearly as you know nothing about it.
I do enjoy the banter and slagging in here but lets not cross the line please
Surely your choosing to believe just one angle on it too though?
And show respect to who? Conor hasn't posted anything implying blame on the Juve fans....
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
I've heard it all now.
It was the police's fault for not charging the Liverpool fans - they weren't violent enough with the people causing the violence!
The things people will do to blame others.
This is one mans account of what happened at Heysel, granted there are many others and they will differ by nature but there is no need to behave like an ignoramous.
From what I could gather from his view was that the Liverpool fans pushed forward in panic to get away from the fireworks NOT to cause violence as you would so love to believe.
You are normally very good at putting your arguments across Conor and I enjoy debating with you but that responce is pathetic
so you believe one angle and i believe another angle? fair enough! but can we stop talking about this subject please? And have some respect
I know how italian fans are. I lived there for 2 years. The have the biggest hooligan problem in europe. I also went to a roma liverpool game in 2000 where the police stood back and let the roma fans rip up their own seats and throw them at us along with bottles coins fireworks. A woman and a man either side of me had to go to hospital. Although i did not retaliate myself i did not blame the husband of the woman that got hit who did. Not to mention the many people with stab wounds in their legs from earlier in the day while visiting the sights of rome.
EVERY team has their hooligans these people are not football fans but thrive on causing violence. Hence hooligans from all over england and italy were at that game. Was it football fans that caused the deaths on that day? No just scum from england and italy and a pathetic inept police force.
Im afraid you are !
Absolute tripe !!!read what i said above. I said ALL side were to blame which is a FACT!!!!Respect? 39 people are dead, and all you can think about is why it wasn't Liverpool's fault, and why some English club you happen to like should be absolved of their part in the horrific events.
NO it is YOU who think the integrity(or lack of it as you see it) of a football club is more important than the lives that were lost that night. Your intent to post thoughless comments on a club who you are obviously bitterly twisted towards seems to be more important than the lives that were lost. THAT is why i am saying show respect. But you obviously dont know what that meansRespect? You think the integrity of a football club is more important than the lives that were lost that night.
Something general? Im afraid it is something VERY relevant. They died because of hooligans from england and italy. The reason i metioned the italian hooligans was to shed light on the fact that they are not an innocent party on that night. Neither were english fans . Neither were the policeRespect? You now mention something about general Italian hooliganism, as if that is relevant to the 39 families who lost a son, brother or father that night.
But according to you and a few sad individuals Liverpool football fans were solely to blame.
That is your lecture for today.You realy have no idea about 'respect' so don't lecture others on it.
I will let you have the last word as you always do. I will be posting on this topic anymore.
Promise.....?
Bye bye Stan. Go off back to collecting cones you useless git.
I support Man City and St PatsTypical liverpool fan he cant celebrate his goal cos he is wayne rooney?I mean who does he think he is scoring against liverpool and celebrating - get a life dude.ya all the liverpool fans gave him loads of abuse as did exeter but just wait til englands next game and the fools will all have their england jerseys on with rooney on the back screaming on sky-news about how great he is
I hated Rooney when he was with Everton too
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