I've never said it that is why, read my posts and point it out to me please where I said this.Originally Posted by patsh
I've said that his quote was not for any ones benefit but his own a soundbite.
I would expect a level of professionalism from my manager, this would include press talk. Had he won the el and then told us it was an improvement this year and that I can put down to training facilities, well I would take my hat off to him.
My point, he knew the training facilities were not there so why comment????
Had he dealt with other issues which were under his remit then the team would of had a better year.
I think if he was the professional we need then he would of thought of something else to use as a training until the facilities were available to him. He was harping on when he signed about fitness training bla bla bla, he should win something first and then come back and say this is our next step.
PAtsh you have missed my whole point.
Why did he pass the comment that is what you need to look at, deflection possibly.
Was it something he was and we were aware of YES, so he is just being speculative or he is covering his ass, Neither is a quality I would like a manger of Cork CIty FC to hold.
HAs he done similar before YES YES YES. Was there a point to his comment? No.
He should deal with the job in hand with the tools provided.
He should deal with what had happened, fix it and THEN point it out........ that would be a first.
Now if he wants to go down the road of ifs coulds and that then he needs to be honest and list them all, if he doesn't want all his failings liosted then he sould go about fixing them before commenting, his comments have done nothing for Cork City except giving him a platform for an excuse should we not win the league next year............... Has he done that in his last job?? Hmmmmmm I wonder. Yeah he has.
I would expect of him, results not if's and coulds. I would have respected him if he had gone about fixing it rather than commenting on it.
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This thread is about Dolan mentioning training facilities, and those quotes from you are saying that he was making this an excuse for not winning things.
You can list all the reasons you like why you feel Dolan got it wrong last season, but he did not claim that the training facilities were the reason for not winning the league.
Sorry Patsh but you have missed the whole point of it you are taking bits from here and there, read them as written and see that I have not stated anything of the kind.
What I have said is he put out a quote which is for his benefit alone, he has stated something which is absolute c.rap, these facilities were not and are not there, he is the manager who signed up to this, so he has to be professional and deal with reality not Ifs and But and Coulds.
The things he is responsible for cost us points last year, these are the thing I would like him to address as these are things he has direct influence over, if its broke fix it and then talk all you want about it and how you fixed it but don't give a soundbite about things that you know you have no control over. Bad workman blames his tools a pro would just say nothing.
if you had taken the time to read it correctly!!!
also I don't say that he has used it as an excuse, I say next time we hear about it it will be an excuse.
I highlight his if, could, would, no more than that, Patsh reread my posts as you have missed out on what I have said.
Read the full content and understand
It would be a much stronger comment if the excuse 'we might of won if things were different' wasn't included.
That is me pointing out he's talking in if and coulds. Win something then comment. Shels might of lost thing if things were different.
That is a fair comment!
He claims that if we had the training facilities it could of been worth 3 points to us.
He does Fair comment.
Don't want to hear excuses
You again didn't read that full point.
We have a press office for excuses.
We do so again fair comment.
He has put a quote out there and when you hear the mention of training facilities again it will because something wasn't achieved.
I believe that it will be used as an excuse for shortcomings this year.
I still believe that. It is future tense!!!!!!!!!!!
Again fair comment.
I still stand by my comments. I am saying he should look at himself as to the reason we didn't have the three points he mentions and not something he signed on knowing was unavailable to him. He put that quote there to give the impression that we could be only three points off being champions.
Instead he should deal with that we dropped points because of results, playing for draws etc.
As a manager that is his remit, deal with that first before going on with some cr.ap about ifs would and coulds. He is a professional manager.
His comment are there to endear him to the fans, who will take his quote at face value. which suprise suprise some have. He should stick with his job. deal with reality, not what if. That is what my problem with his comment is. I don't expect everyone to agree but it is all the hallmarks of Pat Dolan. What was the point to his comment will it speed up the finishing of training facilities, no. Is Brian Lennox aware of it, yes, was Dolan, yes so why comment on it. Does it help his team, No as its not there so deal with it.
Concentrate on the job at hand.
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Pat Dolan is reponsible for Cork City football club. That includes training, and the training facilities.
I have read and quoted what you posted as it was written.
Your very first post was attacking Dolan for making excuses for not winning, the excuse you pointed out in particular was "training facilities".
I simply said that he never claimed that training facilities were the reson we did not win anything.
You have completely ignored this point, and the rest of your posts were long rants about all the things Dolan should have done, how you think he is an un-professional manager and a PR/soundbite person.
I have never objected to your opinion about Dolan or what you think he should have done, I have simply pointed out, again and again, that he NEVER used training facilities as an excuse for anything. He was asking a rheyorical question as to whether these would have made a difference. However, you have used that section of the interview to attack him again and again.
I haven't missed the point of your anti-Dolan rant at all, you are just choosing to see what you want to see in my posts, much the same as you choose to interpret the Dolan interview in such a way as to suit your own agenda.
Ah I see it must be someone elses job to do the Sounbites not Pats, he is aware of what his job is so, do it, don't talk in what ifs, do the job and then look back. That is his role that is why BL pays his wages (and they ain't cheep) Why does he have to dream about things out of his control.
Why not win the title and then come back and go well this is what we improved and here are the result, I'm great I am. (If he did that I too would sing his praises)
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Dricky - you're the only one talking sense in this thread - if Dolan feels the facilities arent up to scratch he should do something about it or resign - the fact that he just chooses to do nothing about it bar whinge shows his type
Surprise, surprise, another visit from the obessed.
Dolan has long gone from SPA, let it go, man, let it go......
the frustrating thing for me is, the training facilities last year, could they have been worth an extra three points? If they could have been, we’d have been champions.
THIS IS WHAT HE SAID, YES?
What I said is deal with what has happen where we failed not if this and could be that. That is my point.
He puts in the Domain of thought that if we could of been champions if if if.
What I say is if he dealt with team selection tactics as he is employed to do then he would be talking about points dropped/gained etc where we improved etc. If he had the team playing for a Draw then it is tough to get a win that is something that we know did affect our points tally last year., these are the things that had an affect last year.
These are the areas he has authority over. THe training facilities is a distraction giving the beleif that last year could of been different. It wasn't available so it has no affect so why bring it up, he knew already that this wasn't there.
If Jose Mourinho's was our manager could it of been worth an extra three points, if so, we would of been champions. Now that is Rhetorical it is also a load of ******s just as is his rhetorical statement
I'm not Anti Dolan, I think he is a good enough manager, not professional enough to take Cork CIty where they should be but then I don't fault him for that. I don't think he's good enough that is yet I still think that he has done enough to keep his job but his rhetorical does nothing for the club.
Jayzus I'm nearly sure I've used up all my rant space for the year.
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You said he was making excuses.
If you don't even know what you are saying yourself.....
Anyway, enough of this.
Lets laugh at wws instead.......
dricky i support your call for common sense over hype ola
if its and ands were pots and pans if candy and nuts - how does that go again??
dolan is spinning yarns - again - two trophyless years - how many excuses ??? -the dublin clubs have more money than us, the fai doesnt help us with fixtures, george o callaghan is a nutcase, the training facilities are unacceptable, flanders did it
boo hoo cry me a river
this is getting boring. Dolan has every right to call things as he sees it. Poor training facilities are not going to help the team, and they won't help attract new players either. I don't think better facilities would have won us the league, but Dolan might just have a better idea than any of us how big (or small) a handicap it is. Some people are using this just to have a go at Dolan, others to give out about Lennox. Simple fact is, a club like ours should have better facilities. as far as we all know, the club intend doing something about it. Dolan's had his say, now he can get on with managing the team, and let the club worry about sorting this out.
The thing about Dolan is he cant just get on with it. He's like a broken record, repeating over and over again. Rebel Army... Proud of my players... .. Dublin Bias... now its lack of training facilities..........
By constanly harping on about the same thing he is diluting the impact of what he's saying and the impact of his arguement.
"Its the bad players who are the luxury not the skillfull ones"
Danny Blanchflower
he's also taking the attention off his players, and thus taking the pressure off them. Honestly, I ignore a lot of what he says becuase i've heard it all before. But he is doing a good job, and if listening to him talk cráp every now and again is the price of success, I can put up with it
If thats the case we're due a Champions League win in the next few years.
I can't read his article in the programme or his post match comments on the Echo.
I'll judge him by whats done on the pitch but in my opinion most of what he says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
HE'll do for the moment, I agree that Pat does go on a bit and it is one reason I would put a mark against him but to date he deserves to keep his job put he ain't a Pat Fenllon and there is no Irish manager good enough at this moment to bring the team forward so best of a bad lot. A professional manager is needed for a professional team. his hearsay wasn't professional in my opinion and when I win the lotto and put my share in I will tell him that, until then its a rant
WWS BTY Flanders did do it.......
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Can anybody tell me of any manager, anywhere, in any league, in any country, on any planet, that doesn't think that things could be better at their club and who tell all and sundry the same?
Not the same as making excuses, is it?
I'd say in Pat's case twould be more like a pallett of salt you'd need rather a pinch..
"Its the bad players who are the luxury not the skillfull ones"
Danny Blanchflower
When has Lennox ever said the training facilities weren't being sorted????
See what soundbites do........
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Fair enough, I think that is where I would differ with most of you, I don't see him bringing success, I do agree we are a better team now but there is more than Dolan to thank for that but as Dolan is the manager it is justified that he continue his job as he is responsible for the results of the team. He has targets to be achived and he has signed up to that. Should he miss his targets next season what then????
but Éanna I would gladly eat humble pie for success and I hope I have to do it soon. I'll still roar him on a a match because after all he is our manager.
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