Quoteagreed. every time I've been there, its exactly the same.Originally Posted by Ruairi
we were treated superbly up in Derry. everyone from the stewards to the fans to the people working in the club shop were absolutely amazing and made us feel really welcome
Whatever it was I am sure it was better than my plan to get out of this by pretending to be mad. I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?
agreed. every time I've been there, its exactly the same.
Maybe it's just for us, given how much Derry seem to like us
Ground sharing is different as it was Dublins home ground for the season too too, they were used to playing there as they play at home there every week. It may be a slight unfair advantage but not by that much, you could say two of our home games against Dublin were played in a ground they would consider home so in those games we gave up a slight advantage, it evens itself out. A more valid comparison would be if Bohs won the league by a small margin this season having played Rovers in Dalymount four times despite Rovers playing in Inchicore. In a three team league you get extra home games or away games against your big rivals where home advantage counts for far far more than in the Dublin/Shels example, it's different and far more unfair to whoever loses out to it.I agree with what you're saying to some extent Slash/ED, but you're in danger of tying yourself in knots here.
If Shels win the league next year over Cork by a small margin and play them twice at Tolka, it simply isn't fair and is down right stupid ? You only won the league this (2004) season by a similar margin, but managed to play Dublin City home and 'away' at your own ground, thus arguably giving you an unfair advantage due to their inability to have a suitable home ground (admittedly not your fault). Is that then unfair and downright stupid ? If playing more games at home than someone else delivers an unfair advantage, which it more than arguably does, then clearly it is ? If Drogheda win the league next year by 3 points over Shamrock Rovers, with the Hoops playing home games at United Park, is that any less unfair or stupid than the swings and roundabouts of a 12-team league's fixtures ? Yet where's the complaints about ground-sharing.....?
I'm glad that the league is returning to a 3-round series of games, albeit helped by the increase in teams. The league is too small to have a 2-round basis, and has too many games on a 4-round basis. So three is the only other alternative. The 4-rounds of games was a disaster during both seasons it was used. Near the end of the first year, there was an entire round of games left with 6 weeks to go, plus teams with games in hand, and the second year, teams played each other back to back in the same week, and Longford had 6 games left, with 3 weeks left to play them. Not all clubs are like Shels, who have players who can play games on tap. Most other clubs have many part-time players who, when you take into account all the other cup games, and friendlies they have to play, aren't able for the demands of 60 games a season. With only 33 games, there should be more room in the calendar to play re-scheduled games, and less fixture pile-ups.
As regards the end of the season, if Cork or Shels lost the title by having to play someone twice away and once at home, tough. Everyone plays by the same rules, and starts the season with 0 points. You lose the league over the games you don't win in a season, not because of 1 fixture.
It's no fairer than when Bohs won the league in 2001, when they had an easy game in Kilkenny, while Shels had to play Cork in the last match of the season. Shels lost, Bohs won, and won the league. If they had a more difficult last game, then maybe the outcome would have been different.
Everyone knows what fixtures they have to play when the list comes out. If you have to travel somewhere twice this season, then you could play them at home twice the next season. That's the luck of the draw. If you don't do your stuff over the previous 32 games, then you probably won't win anything after the 33rd either, regardless of who you're playing against.
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Well this takes the f*cking biscuit....
This comment from the shower of w*nkers who were moaning and whinging about another club, on the night they won the league.....
Tell Nuttsy have a good , long hard look at his own sh*thole club and their way of dealing with things, which is to do everything they can to hamper and interfere with the league and all other clubs. Get the convict to get his own house in order, then maybe others might work with him.
Were you mistreated at the Brandywell? I must say its the first I've heard of it. Or are you simply parrotting the bitter whining of Harps fans after last years playoffs?
What I can guarantee that our Chairman hasn't assaulted any of your fans in the Brandywell.
And pre-contract agreements?! Surely your having a laugh after all was said about Cawley above and your blatant disregard of the rules (is there a theme developing here?). This presumably is a reference to Ciaran Martyn, who it is said signed a pre-contract agreement with Shels and then didn't sign a contract, choosing instead to continue to play with Derry.
Ciaran's decision to sign, and subsequently not to follow through with the move to Shels was his decision and not Derry City's, as we publically sought to keep him all along. My understanding is that Ciaran paid Shels a sizeable four figure fee, out of his own pocket, for not following through on the pre-contract agreement.
This reinforces the fact that this was an issue between Ciaran and Shelbourne.
I wish I wish I had the strength to ignore idiotic posts like this one...
a) The college are building the apartments, not the club. Two separate entities.
b) Many clubs, Shels included, have apartments or houses very close to one end of their ground. It would be different if you said that the college were building apartments on the pitch (which they do want to do), but even still...
c) ...how on earth would that invalidate the opinions of UCD fans?
Really hate stupid posts like that. Shels did act unprofessionally in the Cawley case. The FAI had been on to them before it broke about what was going to happen, yet they ignored them and went their own way. They knew full well what the story was when they signed him in the first place. And then they try (successfully, it seems) to lump the bill on the FAI!
Shels didnt build houses any nearer to tolka then the ones already there???
I dont know how much land around the ground that UCD own or what agreement is between the College and the football team but I never heard of any moaning or argument with the college about building so close to the stadium (if I can call it that)..
shels have tried with no luck to actually buy out the houses at the drumcondra end of the ground as they have caused hassle for years and the owner will not sell.. This is the reason for the new stand only extending half the way across the pitch.
did i imagine it or were the crossbars in UCD square and made of wood a few season back? Or where was that?
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Higgins,
I agree with most of what you post on this site, but I really don't know what you mean by this. Building the apartments didn't affect the league or any club in it, including UCD. If your point is that there is less room for Belfield Park to expand, I disagree with you. UCD's home support is not treathening the capacity of the ground at the moment so there is no need to expand. If there was a need for a bigger ground, there is plenty of room on three sides for expansion and there is plenty of room elsewhere in Belfield for a new ground which might be what's going to happen. If this is the worst example of unprofessionalism in UCD we can rest easy.
I think that Mullet Student's point about the league having to meet the cost of flooding in Tolka is a valid one. Pat Fenlon has no business complaining about Shels not getting 10,000 pounds from the league when they recently got about a million.
I don't mean to single out Shelbourne for criticism, as they're not the worst offenders in the league, but if Pat Fenlon criticises others for a lack of professionalism he does leave himself and his club open to the same criticism.
Yep, that was in Belfield. They were within the rules of the league at the time.
P.S. Sorry for posting at the same time as you. I hadn't read your second post before I submitted mine.
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