Shels in Europe vs Cork City in Europe

**harry crumb** · 31/12/2004, 12:57 AM

Reading the end of year reviews in the papers it seems that the only soccer team in Ireland to do anything in Europe this year were Shels.

Did Cork City not win 3, draw 2 and lose 1. Shels won 1, drew 4, lost 3.

You wouldnt have known Cork were in Europe from reading the papers. Its all Shels this, Shels that.

Dublin, Dublin, Dublin...thats all they care about. Emmet Malone wasn't even in Turners Cross this year.

Next Year. We'll show 'em.

**Slash/ED** · 31/12/2004, 1:09 AM

It was because it was champions league V inter toto and we nearly qualified for the CL, something never done before. Of course, you can choose to believe your pathetic little everyone hates Cork and is biased towards all things Dublin whaffle instead if you like

**harry crumb** · 31/12/2004, 1:20 AM

Well done on that draw with that team from Iceland.

I just want Cork City to get a few hugs sometimes. Its good for the owl ego.

**max power** · 31/12/2004, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by harry crumb

. Its good for the owl ego.

as if yee need any encouragement down in egoland

**CuanaD** · 31/12/2004, 11:41 AM

Harry is right tho': Shels did great in europe, Cork did great in europe.
Shels beat Icelanders & Split
Cork beat Dutch & Malmo
Both lost to top French teams

I know the CL is a far bigger competition, but you can only beat the teams you are given to play - so both teams deserve similar praise IMO, & Shel$ got FAr more than Cork.

On the other hand, i'd expect the Two of them to be well supported by the media in europe this year as they will both be expected to win their first matches & win well! IF Cork dont get their home games shown live but Shels do - well then they would surely be right to complain of bias.

Longford & Bohs wont be expected to go far but you never know. . .

**navan bohs man** · 31/12/2004, 1:20 PM

"both lost to top french teams"

well if ya want to call a team who are 4th from bottom in their league a "top team"

**Éanna** · 31/12/2004, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by navan bohs man

well if ya want to call a team who are 4th from bottom in their league a "top team"

yeah. that would be nearly as ridiculous as calling Bohs a big club

**De Town** · 31/12/2004, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

we nearly qualified for the CL

In fairness, you got beaten 3-0 by a Depor team who are not exactly playing to their full potential this season. It could have been more than 3-0 too and they were not even trying at some stages.

**Slash/ED** · 31/12/2004, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by DE TOWN

In fairness, you got beaten 3-0 by a Depor team who are not exactly playing to their full potential this season. It could have been more than 3-0 too and they were not even trying at some stages.

They may not be at their best but their still one of the top sides in Europe and a bloody la liga side! It wasn't we were expected to win and we still kept them scoreless for a long time and had chances to win it. I doubt they were not trying, given if they lost their season was ruined and the financial backlash would have been huge.

**thejollyrodger** · 31/12/2004, 7:32 PM

Deportivo are in the TOP league in Europe and Lille are still currently second so those results were actually very good

.

**Partizan** · 31/12/2004, 8:02 PM

well at least you werent beaten by a team from one of the last bastions of autocratic monarchial dictatorship in Europe, i.e. Liechtenstein.

Then again Alan Matthews can claim the Divine Right of kings and say to his subjects "those mighty Liechtensteiners (sounds like a German beer brand

) were mighty butchers, bakers candlestickmakers who stood ten feet tall, eight of them played for their country that lost only 0-4 to Austria, two of them play in the top echolons of European football that is in Switzerland and how next year we will commit ourselves admirably before bowing out to those gentlemen from Kazakhstan who shephard sheep like no other"

and how every knee shall bow.

**De Town** · 31/12/2004, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by Partizan

well at least you werent beaten by a team from one of the last bastions of autocratic monarchial dictatorship in Europe, i.e. Liechtenstein.

When was the last time Waterford were in Europe for 2 seasons in a row

Then again, when was the last time Waterford were in Europe at all

**Maz** · 01/01/2005, 7:32 AM

Originally Posted by Partizan

well at least you werent beaten by a team from one of the last bastions of autocratic monarchial dictatorship in Europe, i.e. Liechtenstein.

Then again Alan Matthews can claim the Divine Right of kings and say to his subjects "those mighty Liechtensteiners (sounds like a German beer brand

) were mighty butchers, bakers candlestickmakers who stood ten feet tall, eight of them played for their country that lost only 0-4 to Austria, two of them play in the top echolons of European football that is in Switzerland and how next year we will commit ourselves admirably before bowing out to those gentlemen from Kazakhstan who shephard sheep like no other"

and how every knee shall bow.

yeap they are still bitter in waterford!

**Partizan** · 01/01/2005, 2:32 PM

ah lads come on, only telling the truth like.

Happy New Year all.

**Pablo** · 01/01/2005, 6:42 PM

There is a large bias in the media towards the Dublin teams. Nobody can dispute that. National papers seem to think they are totally aimed at the Dublin market, they forget that there is twice as many people living outside Dublin as there is living in it.

Still, most papers are essentially Brittish anyway. Just like most Dubs.

**mypost** · 05/01/2005, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by DE TOWN

When was the last time Waterford were in Europe for 2 seasons in a row

Then again, when was the last time Waterford were in Europe at all

That's still no excuse for losing not 1, but 2 European games to a team from a country who never won before in Europe, play in the Swiss second division, and who were beaten in the next round home and away by Beveren of Belgium. In fact it's not an excuse, it's a disgrace.

As for Cork, it's all very well for Dolan to proclaim that his team reached the "quarter-finals" of a European competition. No they didn't, they reached the 3rd round of a pre-qualifying competition for the Uefa Cup, only one more round than we managed the previous season, and which is the first round for many of the other teams. Nantes went out of the Intertoto in the next round on away goals, to Rovers' old friends, Slovan Liberec.

**Partizan** · 05/01/2005, 9:40 AM

sobering thoughts for our Ca'wkie and Bogford friends. The loss to Vaduz was a disgrace as well as an embarassment to us all of which there can be no excuses.

Ca'wk as you said reached the 3rd qualifying round of a pre-qualifying tournament and caught the likes of Malmo and NEC during their off season. Impressive run as it was, it did nothing for our coefficient, so hopefully Fat and the lads can get a good run going in the UEFA Cup. With all the money at Dolan's disposal, he want to show something for it and not the usual foray into the Munster Eggholding Cup.

REply to our Bogger friends:

We have actually won European games and whats more we have progressed past the qualifying rounds anytime and acquited ourselves quite well while we were in Europe.

Just dont lose to the likes of Vaduz again, I got slagging off the bar-stoolers over that one.

**tiktok** · 05/01/2005, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by Partizan

Ca'wk as you said reached the 3rd qualifying round of a pre-qualifying tournament and caught the likes of Malmo and NEC during their off season. Impressive run as it was, it did nothing for our coefficient, so hopefully Fat and the lads can get a good run going in the UEFA Cup.

It was the third round proper.
Malmo play summer football too and were halfway through their league (which they ended up winning). Get the old facts straight befire you slag because it only leaves the rest of your post too easily dismissed.

You're right though, in the long run it didn't contribute to the UEFA coefficient and it was only worth a relatively small amount of cash to the club. Hopefully the run can be repeated in the UEFA next year.

**eoinh** · 05/01/2005, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by harry crumb

Reading the end of year reviews in the papers it seems that the only soccer team in Ireland to do anything in Europe this year were Shels.

Did Cork City not win 3, draw 2 and lose 1. Shels won 1, drew 4, lost 3.

You wouldnt have known Cork were in Europe from reading the papers. Its all Shels this, Shels that.

Dublin, Dublin, Dublin...thats all they care about. Emmet Malone wasn't even in Turners Cross this year.

Next Year. We'll show 'em.

The Irish Times send one reporter to our matchs this season. one!.

That was the last game of the season when we could have won the league. What was more the reporter then said that the place was close to rioting! I actually wrote a letter to complain but they never published it (I should have mentioned rugby or hockey, I suppose).

**patsh** · 05/01/2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by tiktok

Get the old facts straight befire you slag because it only leaves the rest of your post too easily dismissed.

Any posts that continually contain such stupid crap as "Caw'kie" and "Fat", and continued ignorant obsession with Cork City's finances are ALWAYS easily dismissed.