Andy Reid(b 1982)

**Emmet7** · 09/11/2009, 3:45 PM

Reid was probably dropped for being a fatty with a beer belly who liked a drink and a late night sing song.

To be honest, no-one here has managed Andy Reid and we don't know what he is like to work with. By the sounds of it he cannot take instructions such as to go to bed when asked.

If you are a manager and you have a player who won't take instructions, it would make your job a lot more difficult.

And I still stand by my view that with Reid in the middle of the park, there would be a gaping hole through which other teams would attack.

Put simply and has already been said, he is not Trap's kind of player. Trap's kind of player is strong, athletic, agressive, defensive, puts other teams and players under pressure when they have the ball. None of that comes to mind when you think of Andy Reid. He's just not Trap's kind of player, just like Shevchenko wasn't Mourinho's type of player or Paul McGrath wasn't Alex Ferguson's type of player. Even though McGrath and Shevchenko are/were brillant players, they didn't fit into the system Mourinho and Ferguson had in mind.

Put it another way, if Trap was managing a club team, Andy Reid's ass would have been booted out the door long ago for questioning the manager.

Finally, if Reid has nothing to apologise for then clearly he has been left out of the team for tactical reasons and doesn't fit into Trap's system.

**SkStu** · 09/11/2009, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Reid was probably dropped for being a fatty with a beer belly who liked a drink and a late night sing song.

To be honest, no-one here has managed Andy Reid and we don't know what he is like to work with. By the sounds of it he cannot take instructions such as to go to bed when asked.

If you are a manager and you have a player who won't take instructions, it would make your job a lot more difficult.

And I still stand by my view that with Reid in the middle of the park, there would be a gaping hole through which other teams would attack.

Put simply and has already been said, he is not Trap's kind of player. Trap's kind of player is strong, athletic, agressive, defensive, puts other teams and players under pressure when they have the ball. None of that comes to mind when you think of Andy Reid. He's just not Trap's kind of player, just like Shevchenko wasn't Mourinho's type of player or Paul McGrath wasn't Alex Ferguson's type of player. Even though McGrath and Shevchenko are/were brillant players, they didn't fit into the system Mourinho and Ferguson had in mind.

Put it another way, if Trap was managing a club team, Andy Reid's ass would have been booted out the door long ago for questioning the manager.

Finally, if Reid has nothing to apologise for then clearly he has been left out of the team for tactical reasons and doesn't fit into Trap's system.

huge flaw there - come on, how can we take this poster seriously...

**Emmet7** · 09/11/2009, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

huge flaw there - come on, how can we take this poster seriously...

Grand, tell me the last time Reid put in a magnificant display of defensive midfield play either for Sunderland or Ireland, in the mould of Roy Keane, Lee Carsley and so on.

Show me the evidence he is able to defend properly. The first trait Trap looks for in a defender or midfielder is they can defend. Show me where Reid matches that trait. If not then clearly he is not a Trap type of player. He might be a Maradona type of player or a Ferguson type of player or a Barcelona type of player but he is not a Trap type of player and does not fit into to a Trap system, the same system that has won 7 scuddeto, 1 European Cup and so on.

Bulgaria had a creative player just as good as Andy Reid, his name was Stillian Petrov. Bulgaria got trounced in games against Cyprus and Italy. Is that not proof enough that Trap was right after all?

I've pretty much had enough of this thread now, it's getting repetitive, people saying Andy Reid is the greatest player the world has seen while ignoring the fact he has serious deficiencies in defence.

**Junior** · 09/11/2009, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

I've pretty much had enough of this thread now, it's getting repetitive, people saying Andy Reid is the greatest player the world has seen while ignoring the fact he has serious deficiencies in defence.

Emmet - You are seeing what you want to see. No poster has come close to stating that.

Though you are correct you (and others) have made the same points over and over again.

**SkStu** · 09/11/2009, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Grand, tell me the last time Reid put in a magnificant display of defensive midfield play either for Sunderland or Ireland, in the mould of Roy Keane, Lee Carsley and so on.

Show me the evidence he is able to defend properly. The first trait Trap looks for in a defender or midfielder is they can defend. Show me where Reid matches that trait. If not then clearly he is not a Trap type of player. He might be a Maradona type of player or a Ferguson type of player or a Barcelona type of player but he is not a Trap type of player and does not fit into to a Trap system, the same system that has won 7 scuddeto, 1 European Cup and so on.

Bulgaria had a creative player just as good as Andy Reid, his name was Stillian Petrov. Bulgaria got trounced in games against Cyprus and Italy. Is that not proof enough that Trap was right after all?

I've pretty much had enough of this thread now, it's getting repetitive, people saying Andy Reid is the greatest player the world has seen while ignoring the fact he has serious deficiencies in defence.

whoosh!

**DeLorean** · 09/11/2009, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

it's getting repetitive

I finally agree with something you've posted. If you just copy and paste your points it would save you a lot of time. How hard can this be to understand....

-We know Andy Reid isn't a great defensive midfielder
-We don't demand that he has a place on the starting XI
-We feel that it's mental that he's not in the squad as an option

Something tells me you still won't get it though.

**Emmet7** · 09/11/2009, 5:09 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

I finally agree with something you've posted. If you just copy and paste your points it would save you a lot of time. How hard can this be to understand....

-We know Andy Reid isn't a great defensive midfielder
-We don't demand that he has a place on the starting XI
-We feel that it's mental that he's not in the squad as an option

Something tells me you still won't get it though.

The only place to put him would be to take off a central midfielder and move perhaps Lawrence or Hunt to centre midfield, although I am not sure either are proven in that role, although if you put a gun to my head, I would say Lawrence would do better at centre midfield than Hunt.

I still think we would be vulnerable if an Irish attack breaks down.

However, I am firmly of the belief and this has been proven throughout the campaign, that Ireland are most dangerous when the ball comes across the box, either high from setpieces for our defenders to attack or mid level height for Doyle and Keane. Robbie I don't think has the speed or strength to run onto balls and hold off forwards like Torres is able to do. He's lost a yard or two of pace in the last couple of years and it probably the reason he didn't succeed at Liverpool.

Our two goals against Italy in Croker were from setpieces and from players such as Hunt and Duff running at defenders and being fouled. Setpieces are vital to our gameplan and will probably be the way we beat the French. Andy Reid is more stand-offish and doesn't really take players on, hence fewer set pieces.

The goal in Bari, a nod down from big Folan is typical of a Robbie Keane goal. He is excellent from a ball which breaks and has scored many great goals that way.

Our mistake early on in Bari was to play the ball into the feet of Doyle and Keane. That was easy to deal with for the Italian defenders.

**Greenbod** · 09/11/2009, 5:38 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

although if you put a gun to my head,

Somebody..........please...anybody?

**geysir** · 09/11/2009, 6:17 PM

Infamy where infamy is due.
Emmet has achieved what I thought to be impossible, he has dethroned EG and become the new prince of long winded, repetitive banality.

**Den Perry** · 09/11/2009, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

Somebody..........please...anybody?

ROFL ...brilliant,

**paul_oshea** · 10/11/2009, 9:10 AM

Den, did you really roll on the floor though? If so did you hurt yourself?

**SuperDave** · 10/11/2009, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

The only place to put him would be to take off a central midfielder and move perhaps Lawrence or Hunt to centre midfield, although I am not sure either are proven in that role, although if you put a gun to my head, I would say Lawrence would do better at centre midfield than Hunt.

I still think we would be vulnerable if an Irish attack breaks down.

However, I am firmly of the belief and this has been proven throughout the campaign, that Ireland are most dangerous when the ball comes across the box, either high from setpieces for our defenders to attack or mid level height for Doyle and Keane. Robbie I don't think has the speed or strength to run onto balls and hold off forwards like Torres is able to do. He's lost a yard or two of pace in the last couple of years and it probably the reason he didn't succeed at Liverpool.

Our two goals against Italy in Croker were from setpieces and from players such as Hunt and Duff running at defenders and being fouled. Setpieces are vital to our gameplan and will probably be the way we beat the French. Andy Reid is more stand-offish and doesn't really take players on, hence fewer set pieces.

The goal in Bari, a nod down from big Folan is typical of a Robbie Keane goal. He is excellent from a ball which breaks and has scored many great goals that way.

Our mistake early on in Bari was to play the ball into the feet of Doyle and Keane. That was easy to deal with for the Italian defenders.

Agree with parts of this. We didn't need Andy Reid on the pitch to score late goals against Italy in either game did we?

Though I would have him in the squad.

**livehead1** · 10/11/2009, 11:04 AM

I think we should sack Trappatoni even if we get to the world cup. He clearly doesn't have a clue. We need somebody like David O'Leary.

**Den Perry** · 10/11/2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Den, did you really roll on the floor though? If so did you hurt yourself?

Yes and Yes

**Emmet7** · 10/11/2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by livehead1

I think we should sack Trappatoni even if we get to the world cup. He clearly doesn't have a clue. We need somebody like David O'Leary.

Yep, we definately need another former Irish soccer legend who's career in club management has been at best mediocre.

Sack one of the greatest managers in European Soccer history, for Dave O'Leary, makes sense alright.

Maybe we should bring back Stan while we are at it. When you think of it, he wasn't all that bad.

**livehead1** · 10/11/2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Yep, we definately need another former Irish soccer legend who's career in club management has been at best mediocre.

Sack one of the greatest managers in European Soccer history, for Dave O'Leary, makes sense alright.

Maybe we should bring back Stan while we are at it. When you think of it, he wasn't all that bad.

I thought if anyone might be a taker, it'd be you

**zinedineontour** · 10/11/2009, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Grand, tell me the last time Reid put in a magnificant display of defensive midfield play either for Sunderland or Ireland, in the mould of Roy Keane, Lee Carsley and so on.

Show me the evidence he is able to defend properly. The first trait Trap looks for in a defender or midfielder is they can defend. Show me where Reid matches that trait. If not then clearly he is not a Trap type of player. He might be a Maradona type of player or a Ferguson type of player or a Barcelona type of player but he is not a Trap type of player and does not fit into to a Trap system, the same system that has won 7 scuddeto, 1 European Cup and so on.

Bulgaria had a creative player just as good as Andy Reid, his name was Stillian Petrov. Bulgaria got trounced in games against Cyprus and Italy. Is that not proof enough that Trap was right after all?

I've pretty much had enough of this thread now, it's getting repetitive, people saying Andy Reid is the greatest player the world has seen while ignoring the fact he has serious deficiencies in defence.

Your argument is flawed from the beginning. We dont have a player like Keane nowhere near it at the moment and carsley is not the answer everyone thinks he is. He cant get into a limited birmingham side at the moment. We dont need two midfielders who cant pass the ball one is enough so in that case andrews should be dropped. Reid controlled the sunderland spurs game on saturday and from someone with a sunderland season ticket he has been immense this season. The improvement he has made has been brilliant. He is more than just a flair player that lad puts in a good tackle and would offer better options than hunt or mcgeady on the wing if you have a problem with him in the middle. I would actually think he would work well of a single striker in paris in a 5 man midfield.

Petrov was bulgarias best player in the qualifiers and the game against italy in italy he was the only one who looked decent he was far from the problem for bulgaria.

Yeah the way some of gone on in the press andy reid is the messiah which he is not but he is far better than a lot of players in the squad and deserves to at least be on the bench.

**Emmet7** · 10/11/2009, 3:54 PM

Do you accept he is defensively flawed and hence a liability in that department whatever about going forward.

I keep getting pulled back to this thread to answer people who say Reid is the best player we have going forward or creatively. I believe Damian Duff is just as good at creating chances as is Hunt and Lawrence.

Hunt, Duff and Lawrence are proven at defending as well, with Duff playing in defence for Newcastle.

I don't think Reid is better than the wide players we have. And defensively I don't think he's better than the central midfielders we have. That's pretty much it.

**paul_oshea** · 10/11/2009, 4:16 PM

But emmet, what do you think of Reid as a player?!

**FatGav** · 10/11/2009, 4:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Do you accept he is defensively flawed and hence a liability in that department whatever about going forward.

I keep getting pulled back to this thread to answer people who say Reid is the best player we have going forward or creatively. I believe Damian Duff is just as good at creating chances as is Hunt and Lawrence.

Hunt, Duff and Lawrence are proven at defending as well, with Duff playing in defence for Newcastle.

I don't think Reid is better than the wide players we have. And defensively I don't think he's better than the central midfielders we have. That's pretty much it.

Valid point, but surely there's room for Reid in a 23 man squad and on a bench. With 20 minutes to go, needing a goal, I'd love Ireland to have someone who is proficient with the dead ball and I don't think that any of our current players are as good as him on that front.