Andy Reid(b 1982)

**Emmet7** · 04/11/2009, 1:55 PM

Trap clearly doesn't believe in creative central midfielders, that's his system. And yes it hasn't deliverd world class results, but given the players in the Irish setup, including Andy Reid (who by the way has never played in the Champions League, compared with Pirlo, De Rossi, Zambrota, Buffon, Cheilini, Grosso and so on) we have got good results.

As for not contributing to the team, Whelan has scored two vital and very skillful goals in this campaign which most strikers would be happy with. To say the game passes him bye is a nonsense. He's scored more goals in the campaign than Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Doyle, our creative players.

Here's a good article I came across on Trap for those who want to know more about his football philosophy.

http://www.footballitaliano.co.uk/article.aspx?id=464

**SuperDave** · 04/11/2009, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

At that time though we didn't know what Trap could bring to us. After the first two matches, in which we had Stephen Reid performing well, of course there was no huge cause for concern. It was during/after the Cyprus home match that it became obvious that our centre midfield was non-existent. Plus Andy Reid was in the squad for those game, as you pointed out, which is pretty much all most of us want now.

I think I have the solution. Trap can call him up, put him on the bench and never play him!

I still think a lot of people would call for his inclusion in the team....

**DeLorean** · 04/11/2009, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Whelan has scored two vital and very skillful goals in this campaign which most strikers would be happy with

Did you actually see his goal in Mainz

**DeLorean** · 04/11/2009, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by SuperDave

I think I have the solution. Trap can call him up, put him on the bench and never play him!

I still think a lot of people would call for his inclusion in the team....

You're probably right but deeming him not good enough for a place in the squad is far more controversial, in my opinion.

**Emmet7** · 04/11/2009, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Did you actually see his goal in Mainz

Still scored more than Duff, Doyle, Hunt, McGeady.

**paul_oshea** · 04/11/2009, 2:01 PM

Trap clearly doesn't believe in creative central midfielders, that's his system. And yes it hasn't deliverd world class results, but given the players in the Irish setup, including Andy Reid

Whats the system Emmet?!

**dr_peepee** · 04/11/2009, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

If we were 1 - 0 with ten minutes left against a very good attacking team such as France for example, I wouldn't take off a defensive central midfielder and put on an attacking central midfielder, because we probably would concede another goal.

What about replacing a jaded Kevin Doyle if we were one nil up in the last ten minutes? Objective to retain posession in the middle (which even you can admit he does very well)? The Opposition see less of the ball in the dying minutes?

This current spell arguably aside he played his best club football to date in a defensive Charlton team as a fifth midfielder.

**DeLorean** · 04/11/2009, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Still scored more than Duff, Doyle, Hunt, McGeady.

So what? so did Dunne, what's your point? by the way Doyle also scored twice.

**Emmet7** · 04/11/2009, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

So what? so did Dunne, what's your point? by the way Doyle also scored twice.

My point is people keep saying in an exagerated way that Whelan has contributed nothing during the campaign.

He contributed two important goals.

**Greenbod** · 04/11/2009, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Andy Reid is not the solution to the problems, imaginary or otherwise in central midfield.

I know!

Let's say we agree he's not the solution to imaginary problems....but disagree on whether he's the solution to other midfield problems.

**Leeside Swagger** · 04/11/2009, 2:52 PM

Originally Posted by joema

He's some quality player.

Anyone who says otherwise does not know football.

Hes played well this season so far,he has had an average career at best so far though.

**Emmet7** · 04/11/2009, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Whats the system Emmet?!

To borrow a quote from the article I linked to above, his teams "avoided vulgar displays of flamboyance".

In other words, keep it tight, no flamboyance, no risky defence splitting passes which may lead to something or more often than not are intercepted and start an attack for the opposing team, keep it predictable and therefore less of a gamble. Keep it boring even.

People seem to think Andy Reid will walk onto the Irish team and hold the ball by himself for 90 minutes or even for long stretches. It's a naive fantacists view. He has to pass it sometime. What happens if the pass doesn't make it through or the other team is attacking.

As Trap says, "A beautiful game of football lasts in the memory for a while, a victory lasts forever".

So I really do think Reid is being omitted for football reasons. Trap has little place in the centre of the park for flamboyance or players of beautiful football. He seems a pretty shrewd manager and if he thought Reid would improve our chances against the French, he would have him in the team.

**Greenbod** · 04/11/2009, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

People seem to think Andy Reid will walk onto the Irish team and hold the ball by himself for 90 minutes or even for long stretches.

Who believes this Emmet?

**Emmet7** · 04/11/2009, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

Who believe's this Emmet?

People.

**Greenbod** · 04/11/2009, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

People.

Real people....or the ones in your head?

**Brian Boru** · 04/11/2009, 3:14 PM

I see Glen Whelan has been dragged into this arguement. Trappatoni favours him greatly. He's probably the first name on the team sheet. He's an excellent blocking midfielder. Also the goal against Italy was a screamer! You cannot get any more creative than that! He's improving all the time. Andy Reid ( though himself a very good footballer) would not be as good as him.

**paul_oshea** · 04/11/2009, 3:16 PM

Cheers Glenns brother.

**Scram** · 04/11/2009, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by Brian Boru

I see Glen Whelan has been dragged into this arguement. Trappatoni favours him greatly. He's probably the first name on the team sheet. He's an excellent blocking midfielder. Also the goal against Italy was a screamer! You cannot get any more creative than that! He's improving all the time. Andy Reid ( though himself a very good footballer) would not be as good as him.

Yes, scoring a goal is real creative !!!

Bottom line, Andy Reid should be in the squad and should have been factored into A system to accommodate. 4-5-1 v France in Paris worked a treat.

After we were forced into the 4-5-1 we created more chances than ever before and I don’t recall France having many chances.

Kerr didn’t learn from this, Staunton certainly didn’t either and in fairness it is too late to expect Trappatoni to reconsider.

ps. Consider this, all you that say "Well Trap has got it right so far, look at the results" (mediocre as far as I'm concrened):

SUPPOSING, November 19th, hungover, no SA to look forward to, has Trap now got it wrong?! Will this be our 19/11 ?

**geysir** · 04/11/2009, 6:01 PM

Originally Posted by Scram

ps. Consider this, all you that say "Well Trap has got it right so far, look at the results" (mediocre as far as I'm concrened):

SUPPOSING, November 19th, hungover,

By the sounds of it, you have a permanent hangover, or on the way to one

**Noelys Guitar** · 07/11/2009, 2:42 PM

Almost goal of the season there. Reid hits a dipping shot from way out and it hits the corner of crossbar and upright. Having another very good game. "Conductor of the orchestra" says the commentator as Sunderland dominate this game. Reid has played some world class passes in this half. One with the outside of his foot Messi would be proud of.