Quotei think certain members of this board find it difficult to accept the true feelings of football fans living in IrelandOriginally Posted by Bondvillain
Ah come on man. You've made some very good points, but "Paddy X is more of a Paddy than Paddy Y because I reckon He FEELS more Irish"?
this thread, nay, this board, is running out of steam.....
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
i think certain members of this board find it difficult to accept the true feelings of football fans living in Ireland
thats simplifying it a bit, but thats kind of what it comes down to really. I mean, you could be born in Ireland, to parents from Uzbekistan (as an example) and move to Uzbekistan at the age of 2 months, never have irish citizenship and you might never give ireland a second thought for the rest of your life. The point I was trying to make is that being irish is about your identity. and identity isn't who you're related to, or where you're born (although these things may influence it) Identity is what you feel, what you think, how you act etc
well said.
Its when you decide you are Irish out of pure conveinience that i have a problem with
The players above would choose France as their first choice. The players I mentioned are a lot different. They are playing for the countries they play for because they can't get into their own national team or they feel they have more chance of success with the country they chose. There's a lot more Turkish players that wouldn't have stepped a foot in Turkey than there are Irish players that wouldn't have stepped a foot in Ireland.
Anyway, the point I am making is that there is at least 1 of these type of players playing for the majority of teams worldwide. At this rate you might aswell not take an interest in international football.
Being honest I don't really. I watch it, but I have no huge interest in it. Kind of like how I watch English football without having a major interest in it
I think the concerns about players like Clinton Morrison are very legitimate, on the available evidence Clinton Morrison is not Irish and does not consider himself Irish. But the reality is you do not have to be Irish to play for Ireland, you just have to qualify for an Irish passport pretty much. The vast majority of people in most countries just want their team to win they don't care who plays, they just care about the results, Eireboy's list indicates that.
I think it is great that we have members if the Irish Diaspora playing for Ireland, the like of Gary Breen and Kevin Kilbane and Paddy Kenny add richness to the team and are a true representation of the Irish Family.
The Irish soccer team is not a perfect representation of Ireland and I think the majority accept that but we naturally have misgivings.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind
What if there was a semi-national team for the County of Cork, which played other national team. It could be like that Catalan team that sometimes plays Brazil and Argentina. Would there be any value in that ?
How about if the Ireland team was to be made up of players just from the county of Cork ? It neednt be every match but could we get some sort of quota going? Would that work, if say every other match all players were from Cork and the manager was from Cork too? Also ideally all qualifers for the World Cup and Euros would be at TC it could just be when they rebuilt Lansdown but after that we could see if we were able to keep it in Cork (or at the very least have a quota of matches played in Cork). But if there was a clash and City were playing maybe we to move the national matches elsewhere (any ideas ?), we'd still want to keep it in Cork mind, otherwise it would look like we were passing up our oppertunities.
Spiffing idea old boy, inspired!
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind
highly ironic isn't it, that its the eircom League fans (mainly) who say club, and the non-eL fans who say country
Wheres the irony?
Who is this guy, Trapper Tony?
the irony is that eL fans are used to the real business of supporting a club, and not watching them on tv (like MOST premiership/spl fans) and so feel a greater attachment to their club.
Get down off your high-horse Éanna and stop being such a sanctimonious old fart.
Just think, if the eL was any better, maybe Irish clubs too could begin to attract those all-important barstoolers as a core of their support. Who else will buy 3 kits a season at 60 yo-yos a time?
Semper in faecibus sole profundum variat
Surely the FAI should withold tickets for Internationals from EL supporters now that we know why the athmosphere has died at Lansdowne.
Who is this guy, Trapper Tony?
if it was better? Maybe we should all forget about supporting ireland so and support brazil- they're betterGet down off your high-horse Éanna and stop being such a sanctimonious old fart.
Just think, if the eL was any better, maybe Irish clubs too could begin to attract those all-important barstoolers as a core of their support. Who else will buy 3 kits a season at 60 yo-yos a time?
What?Sorry, haven't a clue what you're on about.
Cheers for putting me right on this, I thought when I was paying money going through a turnstyle and watching 22 men (and in some cases women) chase a ball a ball around a large green area that this was going to football, however your wisdom has prooved that I was wrong and that I wasn't going to a game at all.
Eanna, really catch yourself on, most of the people on this board will go to football regularly and if they would choose club over country or vice versa its no reason for you to act as some form of moral authority on whose into the 'real business of watching football', cause I think you'll find many non eL fans as committed to following the game as you.
Where am I now? I'm over here,
I've got those empty pockets and I can't afford a beer.
you're missing my point. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone else. All I'm saying is that those of us who attend matches on a weekly basis have more of a connection with our clubs and therefore tend to put our club first. If anyone wants to support their country first, thats their lookout, I have no problem with that at all. I'm sure there are many non eL fans as committed as me, and maybe evensome who are more committed. I was just trying to point out that people who actively support a club seem less likely to interest themselves in the national team.
I mean surely you would admit that anyone who is as committed as you would by very definition 'actively' support a club?you're missing my point. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone else. All I'm saying is that those of us who attend matches on a weekly basis have more of a connection with our clubs and therefore tend to put our club first. If anyone wants to support their country first, thats their lookout, I have no problem with that at all. I'm sure there are many non eL fans as committed as me, and maybe even
And this is my point and perspective, I do actively support a club team and like many others on here we have a very strong connection and identification with our clubs (whoever they maybe) but still put the national team first.
Where am I now? I'm over here,
I've got those empty pockets and I can't afford a beer.
i watch international matches on the Tv yet i prefer them to a club that i see regular..... dont see ya point
fair enough. like I said, its a matter of opinion.
I don't see yours. I can't see how someone could actively support a club and then favour a national team over them. I can't understand it at all.
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