Rovers stadium deal falls apart

**pineapple stu** · 16/12/2004, 12:56 PM

That's a big problem alright. Though if Rovers were subsequently to fold, there'd be a league place open...

**jimhacker** · 16/12/2004, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

I hope not, the league would be a poorer place without Shamrock Rovers

Would it?

No more phantom
announcements about the stadium, no more player strikes over unpaid wages, no more managerial merry go round................yeah I'd really miss all that!

Oh! and no more R.Collins - although that's probably pushing it!

**CollegeTillIDie** · 16/12/2004, 1:09 PM

Maybe if it all goes pearshaped.. Rovers and Shels can develop a new stadium jointly in a green field site and go back together where they belong. After all they both started out in Ringsend, might be some kind of synergy if they jointly developed a stadium... Either that or Baldonnel beckons!

**Macy** · 16/12/2004, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

I would say in Maguires defence that he wouldn't have foreseen any hitches with the planning. Surely this is open to appeal?

Maguire and the rest of the Rovers board have no defence over any of this. Maybe if he'd ever been open and honest with the fans. I've been hearing 3 to 4 weeks for years now.

**OneRedArmy** · 16/12/2004, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by jimhacker

Would it?

No more phantom
announcements about the stadium, no more player strikes over unpaid wages, no more managerial merry go round................yeah I'd really miss all that!

Oh! and no more R.Collins - although that's probably pushing it!

If and when Rovers get to Tallaght it will be good for the League. Crowds would rival those of even the mighty Cork City

and I'm a big believer in improved facilities being a good thing generally in terms of getting people through the turnstiles and improving revenue.

Just think of the alternative. Dublin City back in the Premier........

**Slash/ED** · 16/12/2004, 2:17 PM

It's worrying alright, unless they go through some kind of appeal, and that looks unlikely, does this spell the end of Rovers? Despite what some people think it would most definitely be a bad thing for the league if that happened. What are Rovers going to do next to try and make this thing happen?

**Longfordian** · 16/12/2004, 2:22 PM

Remember they rejected an approach from Liam Buckley and some mates of his, wonder if that's still an option for them if Clarkson fcuks off?

**Sheridan** · 16/12/2004, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Just think of the alternative. Dublin City back in the Premier........

Who do you think you're kidding, Derry would f*cking love that. It would save them a fortune in electricity bills (the reliability of the Brandywell floodlights being inversely proportional to Dublin City's position in the league table, as we all know.)

**LFC in Exile** · 16/12/2004, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

(the reliability of the Brandywell floodlights being inversely proportional to Dublin City's position in the league table, as we all know.)

Which means they are very reliable now.

**pete** · 16/12/2004, 2:56 PM

If this true would ahve to assume Tallaght stadium pretty much completely dead now. With Rovers support down at probably alltime low will be hard to keep the numbers coming through the gates.

Only lesson to be learnt is not start a project until got guaranteed funds to at least complete the first phase. Rovers might have been unlucky with builder strikes & the such but clearly Tallaght was too ambitious for a struggling eL club let alone oen on top of the league.

Shel$ would do well to learn these lessons if move to Donabate, same for Drogs or any other clubs new plans.

**Macy** · 16/12/2004, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by pete

If this true would ahve to assume Tallaght stadium pretty much completely dead now. With Rovers support down at probably alltime low will be hard to keep the numbers coming through the gates.

Only lesson to be learnt is not start a project until got guaranteed funds to at least complete the first phase. Rovers might have been unlucky with builder strikes & the such but clearly Tallaght was too ambitious for a struggling eL club let alone oen on top of the league.

Shel$ would do well to learn these lessons if move to Donabate, same for Drogs or any other clubs new plans.

Personally I think the stand was too abitious. They would've been better going for a more modest design at first and getting in there. Even at �3.5 million (which given building inflation since) it always was a waste of money, let alone at the �11 million they'd have to pay back ifthe clarkson deal is ever done. I doubt flancare, which for all it's faults seats 4,500 - 6,000, 1500 covered, cost that much in total.

**pete** · 16/12/2004, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Personally I think the stand was too abitious. They would've been better going for a more modest design at first and getting in there. Even at €3.5 million (which given building inflation since) it always was a waste of money, let alone at the €11 million they'd have to pay back ifthe clarkson deal is ever done. I doubt flancare, which for all it's faults seats 4,500 - 6,000, 1500 covered, cost that much in total.

I think sometimes clubs are obcessed with the extra pub or gym facilities. Even abroad some clubs do this but others just build new seated stands @ basic price. I think Sunderland got basic 40k stadium for only �25m sterling.

Costs are a lot higher in this country for for 11m Rovers would still have only had a 1 sided ground with i think only 4k seats. I know Rovers wanted the extra facilities to pay for the ground but ultimately its those extra facilities that have killed it.

Is there any reason Rovers couldn't open the stand as it is & close off the unfinished sections as afaik its structurally sound now?

**drinkfeckarse** · 16/12/2004, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by jimhacker

Would it?

No more phantom
announcements about the stadium, no more player strikes over unpaid wages, no more managerial merry go round................yeah I'd really miss all that!

Oh! and no more R.Collins - although that's probably pushing it!

IMO to lose any club with a long and proud tradition such as Rovers would make the league a poorer place.

They have fallen on hard times but all EL clubs have from time to time, (fair enough Rovers have been wandering for years and should've had it sorted by now) but we shouldn't turn our backs on them.

If we are trying to raise the profile of our league, then teams such as them are vital to it IMO. It doesn't help the league having new teams join every few years and then fold, what it needs is continuity to build upon.

**OneRedArmy** · 16/12/2004, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Who do you think you're kidding, Derry would f*cking love that. It would save them a fortune in electricity bills (the reliability of the Brandywell floodlights being inversely proportional to Dublin City's position in the league table, as we all know.)

I wonder where you'd gone my delusional little friend

Good to see you're still blaming everyone else and their brother for your relegation.

Being a conspiracy theorist, I'd say you should have more interest in how, when we were safe with nothing to play for near the end of the season, we managed to tear strips of your lot for 45 minutes, go 2 nil up, sub our best player (K Brennan, thanks for that btw) and then concede 3 in the last 10 minutes.

How much more help did you want?

**Sheridan** · 16/12/2004, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

IBeing a conspiracy theorist, I'd say you should have more interest in how, when we were safe with nothing to play for near the end of the season, we managed to tear strips of your lot for 45 minutes, go 2 nil up, sub our best player (K Brennan, thanks for that btw) and then concede 3 in the last 10 minutes.?

Because you're cr*p?

As for Killian, thank Rod of the Rovers for that. If he's not capped at under-21 level next season I'll be very surprised.

**thejollyrodger** · 16/12/2004, 4:46 PM

I just heard the news on the radio there. Really Bad news

. The E.L really needs Shams. I wonder why planning permission was refused though, if they had financial backing.

Maybe tallaght would be the best place for Shels to move, put in the money and develop a joint stadium with Shams.

**Bald Student** · 16/12/2004, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

do Rovers own the land on which the pitch is developed,

The county council ownes the land. Rovers have a 250 year lease. I don't think rovers are finished either as they have a valuable asset, the worst that will happen is that they will loose some of it, possibly to the GAA (if you remember they were very interested in taking over the stadium a year ago).

For some light humour, check out http://www.rte.ie/sport/2004/1216/rovers.html

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