Two gone?

**Schumi** · 15/12/2004, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Incidentally, is this the first time Waterford have signed anyone off us (bar, I think, Robbie Griffin the first time)? Whatever about the two of them leaving, Waterford just seems very strange! If they were in Europe, I could understand it, but realistically, we're going to be about the same this season I'd say. Seems like a sideways move, unless the two were released.

�� I'd assume.

**joey B** · 15/12/2004, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Two from Bray, Harps, Waterford, Pats and Rovers.

Dont forget the muckers

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

�� I'd assume.

You're not putting any stock into CTID's post about Waterford not having any money then?

One of the factors in Doyle moving to UCD from Bohs last year was, incidentally, the fact that we were offering more than Bohs! (First-team rate v. U-21 rate)

Anyhoo, I e-mailed his mum about it before I saw the press release, so will let youz know what, if anything, comes back!

**Schumi** · 15/12/2004, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You're not putting any stock into CTID's post about Waterford not having any money then?

I'm sure they still pay wages.

**Cosmo** · 15/12/2004, 1:03 PM

'Far too soon to write us off'

Fair enough point - only saw you 3 times last season (all in the cup though) and was very impressed with ye for a 1st division side and i reckon you mightve held your own last season in the El premier, just- (especially against Cork -said afterwards that you'd be the one team I wouldnt like to meet in the next round).

However, this seasons EL premier will be alot stronger and tougher than last season. The majority of teams seem to have or will strengthen their squads - coincide that with you losing key players it looks tough from here - thats all im saying.

**Roo69** · 15/12/2004, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I disagree. This isn't the first time has happened to us, and we always pull through. Our U-21s are national champions, don't forget, so there are some decent players there. Paul Byrne, for one, scored 26 goals despite not joining until after the first four games. Even scored five in one match! A lot of the team have first-team experience - Brian Gannon, Declan O'Brien, Damien Kelly, Gary Dicker, Neil Gallagher. And bear in mind that in the last couple of years, we've uncovered Kevin Grogan, Robbie Doyle, Willie Doyle, Se�n Finn, Conor Kenna and others. I'd be fairly confident that we'll sign at least two players who could head straight into the first team.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Have seen you 21's a few times this season as well Vs. Bray21's and on each occasion without winning any of the matches Bray were by far the much better side, you are right, your 21's do have some good players but at the moment they are not premier league class, just as i would say the same with our 21's.

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cosmo

However, this seasons EL premier will be alot stronger and tougher than last season. The majority of teams seem to have or will strengthen their squads - coincide that with you losing key players it looks tough from here - that's all im saying.

It's going to be harder, definitely. But especially with the 12-team Premier and only one automatic spot, we should be OK. Add in various clubs' money problems and bottom two seems a bit pessimistic. But then I would say that, wouldn't I?

By the way, youz ever hear any more about that Pat Sullivan rumour?

Originally Posted by Roo69

your 21's do have some good players but at the moment they are not premier league class

Watch out for Paul Byrne (three goals in 75 minutes for the first team) and Brian Gannon (had that run from the half-way line to the six-yard box, skinning three or four of your players, on the opening day before getting into a row with Maurice Farrell). Byrne can replace Doyle, Gannon/Sully can replace Finn. Back to where we started. Hopefully!

**Schumi** · 15/12/2004, 1:11 PM

A year ago, Willie Doyle was an under 21 player for Bohs.

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I think Se�n Finn was injured.

I tell a lie. Finn played both Cup games.

Wonder if this has anything to do with Finn being dropped for the last round of games (since Kildare?) Did the same with Robbie Doyle in 2003.

**ilovejam** · 15/12/2004, 2:50 PM

doyle has definately definately gone. got an offer to big to turn down after ucd couldnt offer what he thought he deserved...Byrne will be the new fan favourite!! after all he's the only one that celebrates with the fans when he scores... hostile reception for judas doyle i reckon he should take what he's given the hungry savage

**Roo69** · 15/12/2004, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by ilovejam

doyle has definately definately gone. got an offer to big to turn down after ucd couldnt offer what he thought he deserved...Byrne will be the new fan favourite!! after all he's the only one that celebrates with the fans when he scores... hostile reception for judas doyle i reckon he should take what he's given the hungry savage

In fairness, he was only signed on a 1 year deal and UCD would probably ot be in the premier today if he had not scored 16 league goals !

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 3:01 PM

15 goals, but the rest is true. Also, he did give thank us at the end of the Kilkenny game. But we move on. Byrne is on an average of 3.6 goals per game at the moment. If he can keep that up...

**Roo69** · 15/12/2004, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

15 goals, but the rest is true. Also, he did give thank us at the end of the Kilkenny game. But we move on. Byrne is on an average of 3.6 goals per game at the moment. If he can keep that up...

I take it this Link is wrong then ? Was a great move by UCD to bring him in but in the true fashion of the eircom League players have more clubs than clean jocks ! Looking forward to seeing yer man Byrne now after all this hype !

**Schumi** · 15/12/2004, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by ilovejam

hostile reception for judas doyle i reckon he should take what he's given the hungry savage

Monopoly money for the first Waterford game anyone?

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by Roo69

I take it this Link is wrong then?

It is, yeah. There were all sorts of quare goings-on with his goals - the media gave him a goal in Limerick which wasn't his at all, and gave Micko (Mick O'Donnell) a goal in Dundalk which was Doyle's. Think the programme counted accurately (though, to be honest, I would trust us!), and we ended up with 15. Which still broke our record... Last July, we were wondering if he'd make our top ten scorers of all time list by the end of the season! And now he'll be stuck 8 off it for ever and ever! [SIZE=1]Unless he comes back![/SIZE]

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 3:37 PM

Extract from to-day's Star:

WATERFORD EYE UCD DUE

Both players are out of contact and won't command a fee if they do move to the RSC. College supremo Pete Mahon is keen to keep Finn and Doyle, but knows he can't offer the same money that Waterford can.

If Finn doesn't command a fee, that can only mean we've let him go surely?

**Schumi** · 15/12/2004, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If Finn doesn't command a fee, that can only mean we've let him go surely?

Amateur contract would mean that he doesn't command a fee wouldn't it?

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 3:53 PM

Feck. Hadn't thought of that. Probably means there was never a contract at all.

**Bald Student** · 15/12/2004, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

...in the last couple of years, we've uncovered Kevin Grogan...

To be fair, we signed him from Manchester United.

**pineapple stu** · 15/12/2004, 4:12 PM

Ssssssssshhhhhhhh!!!!!

We gave him his chance, is what I meant. Doyle was at Bohs, Kenna and Gannon at Shels, but we gave them their breakthrough.

And no "To be fair"ing on this board!

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