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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    I'd say the Dundalk owners are doing handstands, they have a bigger budget than everyone else and the Champions are only 1 win away from group stages every year...and thanks to the recent run they will probably be seeded for that match....
    I'd agree with this. The Dundalk owners are only in it for the money, and this new structure is likely to buy their support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    But that's what everything UEFA does is about.

    They're fighting a fruitless incremental struggle against a breakaway European Super League. And instead they're introducing one by stealth very very slowly in an attempt to keep the big clubs on board. But I suspect they'll dump UEFA when it suits them any way - hence why it's inevitably fruitless in the longer term for UEFA to struggle to retain relevance in this way.
    All about T.V. money, and the fact is the 'big clubs' are what attracts the vast bulk of TV revenue.Smaller clubs and the mad FIFA/UEFA policy of recognizing countries that re not even countries (thereby increasing number of clubs further) has led to so many clubs that there is a need to filter them out. Big clubs would rather a friendly against another big (ie money attracting) club than have to turn out against the minnows so the aforementioned minnows have to be removed.Put them in a separate league and throw a few bob at it so TV can have more big/attractive ties that boost viewing figures.
    Right now there is enough money floating about to follow this policy (and throw minnows enough to keep them quiet) but if TV even finds another cash cow to milk we might see some real change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    I'd say the Dundalk owners are doing handstands, they have a bigger budget than everyone else and the Champions are only 1 win away from group stages every year...and thanks to the recent run they will probably be seeded for that match....
    Winning two ties would be required but I agree with your overall point. If a team was to win the league for a few years consecutively, you could easily see them pull away from the rest of the league with the double safety net. Right now Dundalk are best placed to be that team, so this can only be music to the ears of our owners.

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    Winning the league in 2020 will be potentially the biggest bonus ever in Irish football.
    Interesting times.
    There are 10 clubs (9 excluding the proletariet) who with a big backer might be tempted to have a run at the league.
    The boom is back

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Winning the league in 2020 will be potentially the biggest bonus ever in Irish football.
    Interesting times.
    There are 10 clubs (9 excluding the proletariet) who with a big backer might be tempted to have a run at the league.
    The boom is back
    Time for Shams to sell the other half of their 'members owned' club ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinobohs View Post
    Time for Shams to sell the other half of their 'members owned' club ?
    Do you have any other records ?

    On a serious note i do think potential investors will look at the smaller leagues as opportunities to get regular European group stage football.
    Leaving us aside look at the TNS in Wales even the Gibraltar league (parachute in a few Spaniards)
    Going to be interesting in 2020
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    How much money for making the group stages of EL2 or whatever they’re calling it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah View Post
    How much money for making the group stages of EL2 or whatever they’re calling it?
    They haven't announced that yet

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    The UEFA guy was quoted as saying people wouldn't be dissapointed .....means nothing I know but even half of 're Europa league money would be massive

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    The financial gain with the additional potential for progression could make up for a smaller pot of money. Is it possible that there could be a parachute from CL to EL1 and then to EL2 also if a club loses in qualifying rounds. So hypothetically Finn Harps romp to a league win, lose in CLQR1, drop in to EL1QR2 lose and then in to EL2 also. I picked harps as the hypothetical as obviously Dundalk will win the league and be in CL group stages so at minimum 3rd in the group will be in the last 32 or 16 of EL1!!

    Seriously though its is getting very like a European Superleague and promotion/relegation is based on a 10 year cycle of results. From a LoI point of view as long as champions go in to CL and have their tie, then at EL would it make that much difference whether its EL1 or EL2 as the chance or progressing in EL2 mitigates against the lesser finncial gain for losing in QR1 of EL1 if that were the case? There will still also be the small chance of drawing a former heavyweight from the likes of Scotland?

    This is not going to seem particularly sound thinking but I find the prospect of playing in EL2 almost traditionalist. Like there is a kind of honesty to the competition where teams might be legitimately competative. Not quite like a one off tie where a minnow can prevail like the old EC/UC/CWC but while some might see it as crumbs from the table for leagues like our own it could create a possibility of driving up revenue regardless of the FAI and their indifference.
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    It may drive up revenues, but playing teams from Malta and Estonia, and never getting a crack at teams from England, Italy or Spain is never going to attract the 'wider Irish sporting public' and raise the profile of the league. Another question: How does a team get from laying in EL 2 to the Europa League? (which we should probably now call El 1 or The Premier Europa League or something...)

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    I see where you're coming from there Nesta, but there's one obvious flaw to your statement, Finn Harps wouldn't blow that Champions League spot.

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    I for one am looking to Ollie Horgan talking down Harps' chances against Real Madrid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightstory View Post
    It may drive up revenues, but playing teams from Malta and Estonia, and never getting a crack at teams from England, Italy or Spain is never going to attract the 'wider Irish sporting public' and raise the profile of the league. Another question: How does a team get from laying in EL 2 to the Europa League? (which we should probably now call El 1 or The Premier Europa League or something...)
    It would seem that there are only 2 options to compete in the EL unless you're in the top 15 associations (ie Croatia (see Dinamo Zagreb this year) and downwards). Lose Champions League route, get to EL group stage... Or win the EL II and qualify for EL group stage...

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