is there anything worse

**sadloserkid** · 10/12/2004, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

Was thinking of the Cathedral. Like Durham...

Will send you a postcard so shall I?

**NY Hoop** · 10/12/2004, 3:36 PM

The 3rd placed team in our league played rovers in a pre season 2 years ago and only lost 2-0

What team was that?

KOH

**Brice** · 10/12/2004, 3:37 PM

Clontartf Athletic

**NY Hoop** · 10/12/2004, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Brice

Clontartf Athletic

Wouldnt take much notice of pre season friendlies though. Hardly a yardstick when comparing standards.

If clontarf ever get into the FAI Cup then.................

KOH

**fosterdollar** · 10/12/2004, 3:40 PM

I think it's only natural for an Irish person who genuinely loves/likes/has an interest in football to follow what goes on in England. The standard of football is quite good (albeit a bit down the rankings on a worldwide level) and it's the nearest top class league to us. The games are good to watch.

What I now don't understand is how people develop this wholehearted sense of belonging to one of the clubs there. I say 'now' because years ago, i was the same. And just because it was handed down to me from my brother. I realise of course that the feeling of being part of or belonging to a club is far more real when you can see the team in action on a regular basis. They play, train and live in areas you know and can relate to. And they represent a place you love. It's not an arbitrary choice of club. People that you know and love are being represented by this club so it's almost that you have a duty to support it.

**Brice** · 10/12/2004, 3:41 PM

can't see them in the fai to be honest!

are you one of the stone island rovers crew?

**sylvo** · 10/12/2004, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Going back to my roots - I'd rather do that than go on about them in another country. Why go an Irish Centre or Pub, when you can go to a real one anyday of the week?

Maybe yer should've spent a bit more time in some of Manchesters Irish centres or pubs, it might've saved you from getting caught up in all this english regional rivalries that most of us 2G's find totally foreign, plus it might've saved you from getting your b@lls busted by Brice.

**Brice** · 10/12/2004, 3:46 PM

Sylvo

2G's - please explain?

there are plenty of regional rivalries in ireland!

**NY Hoop** · 10/12/2004, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Brice

can't see them in the fai to be honest!

are you one of the stone island rovers crew?

No chance. That crap sickens me to be honest. It's more copying the huns rubbish. Though we're not the worst for it. Check out the b**z MB and they have threads on what clobber to wear

FFS you're going to a football game!! Casual garbage............

KOH

**sylvo** · 11/12/2004, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Brice

Sylvo

2G's - please explain?

there are plenty of regional rivalries in ireland!

I know there is, its when Irish people get carryed away with regional rivalries in a forign country that I find strange.

**jofyisgod** · 11/12/2004, 3:15 PM

Completely agree with Brice's first post-summed my entire ideology up

I don't see the point of supporting a club you have no family,etc connection to. Celtic fans are worse, as for reasons mentioned earlier.

By all means watch the Premiersh�t, don't support it...

**SaucyJack** · 12/12/2004, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Brice

Sylvo

2G's - please explain?

there are plenty of regional rivalries in ireland!

second generation, I think he means, born to foreign parents.

**jofyisgod** · 12/12/2004, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by SaucyJack

second generation, I think he means, born to foreign parents.

Actually it means born to Irish parent(s) in a foreign country. ie/Mick McCarthy is the best example i'd say. Loads of people on the boards here are 2G

**�anna** · 12/12/2004, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

That's because they're sheep. If andy gray said jump into a barrel of paint they'd do it. They sneer at the league cos it's popular with the other muppets in the boozer.

Any english jersies that are sold to santa should be �100 with half the price going to the local EL team as a sort of tax

best post of the lot. as eamon mccann said about premiership fans "some day there'll be support groups for people like them"

**JoeSemi** · 12/12/2004, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Great first post!

Substitute manure for liverpool and you have same problem.

Friend of mine thinks they should be all blowtorched!! Bit extreme but IMO they are a disgrace.

Ask one of them "If Ireland were playing england who would you support?" When they answer Ireland then ask "If manure were playing an Irish club who would you support?" When they answer manure point out the hypocrisy.

More hypocrisy is when they slag off the EL. They dont seem to understand that our league would improve if, instead of spending thousands of sterling annually, they actually supported their local club.

They are all sheep too. The real reason they "support" manure or wankpool is because EVERYONE ELSE DOES. How pathetic. Look at that west brit rag known as the herald on a wednesday. A whole page dedicated to muppets like york supporters club Ireland FFS.

Bottom line if you're Irish support an Irish club.

KOH

When you say they support liverpool or manure "because everyone else does" is a bit of a generalisation Hoop. I'm not too clear on the 'they' you're referring to, to be honest. I've been a Liverpool supporter I'm proud to say since birth and travel to at least three games a year where possible. Its a passion and love I've grown up with since a very young age when I was brought to my 1st game at 5 yrs old. Me being from the country, and having little exposure to an EL club, meant that Liverpool were my 1st love in the way Rovers were yours. Circumstances and location dictated this. As the Saw Doctors said, "first love stays with you forever".

Secondly, I'm not going to go down the cheap route of slagging off the EL either, the way some do. I've played in the EL and been at one of Ireland's best clubs for a few years and have the upmost respect for most people in the league bar a select few. This doesn't stop me supporting Liverpool and also the EL, so don't start tarring everybody who follows a team across the water with the same brush. When I say 'follow' I mean putting their money where their mouth is and not the Johnny Come Latelys who talk for the sake of thinking they know something.

Finally, I'd like to call myself an educated football fan, who has watched and played games in many different countries. If I had the money(here's praying for when I'm older) the first place it'd go would be to a club at home, and then onto a progressive EL club who aren't living in the past; and not to a club across the pond. Thankfully, that would rule Rovers out of the hypothetical equation

So just give your threads a little more substance and thought in the future before calling followers of Liverpool and whoever else 'sheep' and a 'disgrace'

**eoinh** · 12/12/2004, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by Brice

Conor

Lincoln???????????

Been to Lincoln last January. It was flippin' freezing.

Climbed a huge hill that was really steep and my lungs were sore with pain because the air was so cold. We ended going`in for a cup of tea and bought a see-through teapot that leaked (Dont ask).

Actually we went into Lincoln Cathedral where a really posh old english fellow guided us around with three others. The three others were three really posh northeners from Antrim. Its terrible to think you can guess someones religion from the way they act but they were obviously COI. Im not sure what they made of us. (ME: God doesnt exist. I think)

Lincoln is nice and the people are very very friendly (like all of the midlands).

**eoinh** · 12/12/2004, 8:28 PM

Getting back to Manchester UTD. Saw the most ironic of ironic items on the news recently. A load of nationalists and the PSNI fighting. One of the young fellas on the nationalist side was out throwing stone at the PSNI while wearing a Man Utd jersey.

So he fights British occupation by buying a jersey belonging to an english corporation and attacks the PSNI. The mind boggles

**Macy** · 13/12/2004, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by sylvo

Maybe yer should've spent a bit more time in some of Manchesters Irish centres or pubs, it might've saved you from getting caught up in all this english regional rivalries that most of us 2G's find totally foreign, plus it might've saved you from getting your b@lls busted by Brice.

Balls busted - hardly.

I don't really get the 2G's point tbh. I'm no different to the 2nd Generation I knew and went to school with. No different of being proud of Dublin, Cork, Longford etc imo. Could be a difference between London and Manchester maybe? More open and integrated city possibly (on a serious point)?

**NY Hoop** · 13/12/2004, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by JoeSemi

When you say they support liverpool or manure "because everyone else does" is a bit of a generalisation Hoop. I'm not too clear on the 'they' you're referring to, to be honest. I've been a Liverpool supporter I'm proud to say since birth and travel to at least three games a year where possible. Its a passion and love I've grown up with since a very young age when I was brought to my 1st game at 5 yrs old. Me being from the country, and having little exposure to an EL club, meant that Liverpool were my 1st love in the way Rovers were yours. Circumstances and location dictated this. As the Saw Doctors said, "first love stays with you forever".

Secondly, I'm not going to go down the cheap route of slagging off the EL either, the way some do. I've played in the EL and been at one of Ireland's best clubs for a few years and have the upmost respect for most people in the league bar a select few. This doesn't stop me supporting Liverpool and also the EL, so don't start tarring everybody who follows a team across the water with the same brush. When I say 'follow' I mean putting their money where their mouth is and not the Johnny Come Latelys who talk for the sake of thinking they know something.

Finally, I'd like to call myself an educated football fan, who has watched and played games in many different countries. If I had the money(here's praying for when I'm older) the first place it'd go would be to a club at home, and then onto a progressive EL club who aren't living in the past; and not to a club across the pond. Thankfully, that would rule Rovers out of the hypothetical equation

So just give your threads a little more substance and thought in the future before calling followers of Liverpool and whoever else 'sheep' and a 'disgrace'

Joe,

Can I have your autograph?

Of course I have to always qualify my statement by saying that if you follow an english club it is ok as long as you support your local EL club FIRST.

"They" would be the muppets who are in your local boozer cheering on a tv screen who have never seen the sky over an EL ground. The very same people who plead "real fan" status in the scramble over World Cup tickets. The same ****s who spend a small fortune buying english jersies, scarves, car stickers, duvets, mouse pads etc etc etc.

Agree with your first love comment. However if you were brought to your local EL ground when you were 5, despite the distance, they could have been your first love. For example I know a fanatical Galway fan from mayo.

You say you've been at some of Ireland's best clubs? Have you donned the Hoops?

KOH