Poll on 11 a side

**Roo69** · 10/12/2004, 10:18 AM

Pat Fenlon lost out on the Philips Manager of the Year for 2004. But who do you think has been the top manager in the eircom League over the past 12 months?

3 1st division managers in it, a little strange no ?

**jimhacker** · 10/12/2004, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Roo69

Pat Fenlon lost out on the Philips Manager of the Year for 2004. But who do you think has been the top manager in the eircom League over the past 12 months?

3 1st division managers in it, a little strange no ?

1st Division is a little strange.

**pineapple stu** · 10/12/2004, 10:30 AM

Nice to see the First Division acknowledged in fairness. Felix Healy lost one league game all season, Pete Mahon lost two and no Cup games in 90 minutes, of which all bar one were against (now) Premier sides. Both teams smashed the old First Division points record, so it's only fair to include them. I'd replace Devlin with Alan Matthews and it wouldn't be too far out to be honest.

Who did Fenlon lose out to?

**holidaysong** · 10/12/2004, 10:32 AM

Eddie O'Sullivan the Irish Rugby manager.

**Hibs4Ever** · 10/12/2004, 10:55 AM

Eddie O'Sullivan totally deserved the award. By far.

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by SAINTS4EVER

Eddie O'Sullivan totally deserved the award. By far.

Purely out of interest, why did he deserve it?
His team won some friendly games, came second in the only competitive tournament they played in and so won nothing. I know I know little about rugby, but don't see what the big deal about this record is. Pat Dolan did pretty much the same with City, but was not in the running.
Surely Duckser Grady, Jack (?) from Kerry, or Fenlon would be far more deserving?

**Hibs4Ever** · 10/12/2004, 11:13 AM

[QUOTE=patsh]
I know little about rugby,

Nuff said. If you did you understand. Beating the world champions in their own country is enough in itself.

**Longfordian** · 10/12/2004, 11:16 AM

How can a manager who's won two out of a possible three domestic competitions not be nominated for manager of the year? in all fairness, what did Devo win?..Mathews was nominated for the Phillips award but eleven-a-side obviously think differently

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=SAINTS4EVER]

Originally Posted by patsh

I know little about rugby,

Nuff said. If you did you understand. Beating the world champions in their own country is enough in itself.

I'm really glad I know nothing about it, if winning one game is such a big deal that it wins you manager of the year. I've often wondered why rugger buggers are such a self-congratulatory shower of w*nkers

Its not really much of an award when a guy who wins a game is considered better than managers who actually win trophies.
I'd have to agree that Alan Matthews deserves it far more than the second place guy.

**Hibs4Ever** · 10/12/2004, 11:28 AM

I gave that one game as an example M0R0N

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by SAINTS4EVER

I gave that one game as an example M0R0N

Ahh the words and attitude of the true rugger bugger.....
So one game was an example. what other "examples" are there?
He won some other games?

**Hibs4Ever** · 10/12/2004, 11:42 AM

[QUOTE=patsh]rugger buggers are such a self-congratulatory shower of w*nkers

The words of a typical know nothing M0R0N

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 11:52 AM

**exile** · 10/12/2004, 11:53 AM

attack the post not the poster lads

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by exile

attack the post

Isn't that what buggers do?

**Kingdom** · 10/12/2004, 11:56 AM

Ye could arguably say that Kerry's Jack O'Connor desrved considering they won every competition played in this year..... take that ye northern fcukers

Only kiddin we need our Northern brethren just as much as the westerners

**Colm** · 10/12/2004, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by SAINTS4EVER

The words of a typical know nothing M0R0N

Behave now eggchaser or I'll have to bin your posts!

**Hibs4Ever** · 10/12/2004, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

Behave now eggchaser or I'll have to bin your posts!

WHY?

**patsh** · 10/12/2004, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTS4EVER

Beating the world champions.

BTW, how can it be a World Championship, if only a tenth, at most, of the world takes place in it?
Shouldn't it be called the No Necks Championship, or the Buggers Championship or the Nations with some citizens who love to roll in Mud Championship??....

**Aberdonian Stu** · 10/12/2004, 1:46 PM

He won two trophies if you really want to get smarmy about it (trophies given in Scotland and England games). Seriously though, the first triple crown in 19 years, and becoming the first team to win in Twickenham in five years as well as a second ever win against South Africa can't be ignored either.

Fenlon had a great season but so did Cork's hurling manager (whose name escapes me) and Jack O'Connor. O'Sullivan stands out because be ended three long runs which in fairness has to be admired. I'm not saying it's clear cut but given the options I'd have gone for him.

Incidentally Matthews not being included ahead of Devlin is a joke, Bray nearly choked in the run-in for goodness sake.