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The Republican Movement is also involved in the illegal shipment and movement of rubbish and hazardous material. This is usually cross-border shipments and involves dumping in any convenient location.
Not only do they destroy lives but also the environment, countryside and water quality of a nation they profess to defend.
no way in hell. the killings that happened in the north were part of conflict. what happened in this case was cold-blooded murder and nothing to do with any armed struggle. plus they were disobeying IRA orders. they are cowardly filth and should be left rot.
totaly agree with you eanna who the hell are these scumbags to insist that these murdering terroists who are no better than al queda be realesed bertie the appeaser ahern said during the week that scum fein/ira wont do a deal unless they are released they are, now trying to hold a sovergin state hostageOriginally Posted by Éanna
and what kills me is that scum fein/ira are always bleating on about peace even though the international monitoring commision has constantly said up to last week that they are still commitng extorion racketering and enlisting membership.
these scumbags see no need to chose between thuggery and democratic politics because they have been allowed to do both it must stop these people are moraly bankrupt.
il give you an example
a few weeks ago their was a vigil outside leinster house for the 100 or so women murderd in ireland over the last few years of which scumbag o snodaigh td for scum fein said the goverment should do more to protect women and how we should support the minutes silence around the country.
When asked about the women murdered by scum/ira he had no response obviuosly he was only remembering the women not murederd by the scum fein/ira.
this was taken from the sunday independent archives
i urge you to read it to gauge the depts of scum fein/ira hypocrisy and contept for the law abiding people of this island
SF's O Snodaigh 'forgets' women butchered by IRA
JIM CUSACK
A CALL by Sinn Fein's Aengus O Snodaigh for a minute's silence in the Dail to mark International Day Opposing Violence Against Women has been dismissed as an act of stunning hypocrisy.
O Snodaigh referred only to women murdered in the Republic since 1996, and made no mention of any of the women murdered by the IRA during the Troubles. O Snodaigh said the step should be taken in memory of the 106 women murdered in the country since 1996 and in recognition of the ongoing pervasiveness of violence against women in Irish society.
"These statistics are positively horrific and demand urgent action. I am convinced that if these statistics reflected a level of violence directed against any other group it would be treated as a national emergency," he said on Wednesday.
However, Fine Gael Senator Brian Hayes said yesterday: "Aengus O Snodaigh, who is now known to associate himself with convicted IRA members, has no credibility speaking out on the issue of violence against men, women or children. There is a responsibility on all constitutional politicians to take issue against the stunning hypocrisy mouthed by these people week after week. They simply have no credibility when it comes to the issue of violence."
Senator Hayes said that Sinn Fein had still to distance itself from "people who were directly responsible for murdering women from west Belfast", referring to the widowed mother of 10 children, Jean McConville who was abducted from her home by an IRA gang, taken to south Armagh and tortured before being shot dead and secretly buried on Templetown Beach in the Cooley Peninsula.
The list of people killed by the IRA during the Troubles is littered with the murders of women either intentionally or indiscriminately in bombings or shootings.
Among those deliberately targeted and shot dead was the Derry woman, Joanne Mathers, who was collecting census forms during the 1981 hunger strike and was shot in the head by an IRA gunman at the door of a house where she was collecting forms. Mrs Mathers, 25, was married with one young son. Another young mother killed by the IRA was Caroline Moreland, 34.
She was abducted, taken to south Armagh and tortured for almost a week and then taken to a lonely Border road and shot through the head. Miss Moreland, a single mother with a young daughter, was accused of beingan informer by a senior IRA man who was later himself suspected of being an informer.
At the time she was murdered Caroline Moreland was receiving treatment for cancer from which she was unlikely to survive. The IRA team that killed her knew of this at the time. Another young west Belfast woman who was shot dead after being accused of being an informer was Catherine Mahon, 27, who was shot dead in September 1985 along with her husband Gerard.
An IRA team led by the infamous 'Border Fox', Dessie O'Hare, also shot dead a young Protestant woman, Margaret Ann Hearst at her family farm in south Armagh in October 1977.
Miss Hearst, a single mother of a three-year-old girl, had taken up work as a part-time member of the Ulster Defence Regiment. The IRA gang shot her as her daughter was asleep in a cot and then fired shots into the cot, narrowly missing the child.
And the IRA in Fermanagh shot dead a 21-year-old Protestant woman, Gillian Johnson in March 1988 apparently because they wrongly suspected she had become engaged to a young man who had joined the Ulster Defence Regiment. It turned out her fiance had no connections with the UDR.
The IRA unit that murdered Gillian Johnston was led by a woman who later emerged as a member of Sinn Fein. Another young woman deliberately shot dead by the IRA was Mary Travers, the 27-year-old daughter of resident magistrate, Tom Travers, as she and her father left St Brigid's Catholic Church in south Belfast in March 1984. Miss Travers was shot dead by an IRA gang that included a close associate of Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams.
imo scum fein/ira are murdering hypocrites facisits
Last edited by exile; 05/12/2004 at 2:37 PM.
save the sheep shaggers bring back beheadings for waherford
personally, I was very close to voting Sinn Féin at the last election. mainly because i agree with them on a lot of things. but I could NOT bring myself to vote for a party who are backing these mudering filth. If FF and the PDs agree to their release, they are as bad as SF if not worse. I can't see any person with an ounce of integrity voting FF or PDs if they release these vermin back on the streets. There is no excuse, no justification and there never will be. No spin, babble or politic-speak can excuse an act of treachery like releasing these people. releasing them would be as good as telling people that its ok to shoot members of law-enforcement as long as you have a political party behind you.
They should certainly be released if it means a deal being struck. Negotiations means compromise and no doubt some compromises can be difficult, I cant imagine how Mrs Mcabe feels but in the long run it might be the best thing. Im amazed reading this thread, but its like people dont realise the amount of innocent nationalists killed by the brits/ruc security forces and loyalists with the aid of these security forces behind them, most of whom never even did as much as a day behind bars. Cant you imagine how the family of these people feel? Murdered by the state and it all bein covered up. This is not republican propoganda, but fact.
Regarding the GFA, there has been I believe, 3 acts of decommisioning, but the brits have yet to keep there promise, i.e,demilitarisation has not been nearly fully carried out, nor has reform of police, nor has all the all ireland bodies been implemented. Decommisioning has been used, and used very well by the brits/unionists as an excuse to slow the process of power sharing. As a point of info, not that it matters, but the IRA was actually off ceasefire between feb 96 and july 97.
i cant belive your defending these scum bagsthey shot 2 cops while trying to rob a post office not fighting british soilders they were breaking the law
your twisting the story to suit your own facist mind this not about what the brits have done to us, its about scum fein/ira bleeding this country dry with extorion murder and intimidation and holding the law abiding people of this country hostage to suit there own facist agenda, alot of people want to know when is the appeaser ahern going to say enough is enough or will he keep giving more like neville chamberlain appeasement dosent work with these people they have to know if you break the law in this country you have to pay no matter what facist party your from
so people its ok to rob banks and murder the people entrusted with our safety if your a member of scum fein/ira
Last edited by exile; 06/12/2004 at 9:00 AM.
save the sheep shaggers bring back beheadings for waherford
Everybody here was disgusted when they saw the brutal pictures of hostages being executed in Iraq.
At least in most cases the Iraqis seemed to treat their "prisoners" fairly well until they were beheaded. What made it disgusting for most people was that they videotaped the executions.
Does anybody think that someone like Jean McConville was tortured "humanely" by the IRA. What would your opinion be if you saw that on video.
The fact is the actions of these men was directly as a result of the conflict in 'Ireland', its very easy to brush the troubles off as a Northern problem. I am not saying what was done was right, indeed the green book does forbid the killling of free state forces. But what the broader republican family see from all this is that if there was no conflict here then these men would not have been carrying out a robbery to fund their army. Therefore nobody would have been killed. Its not going to bring the man back to his family and it was wrong, we all agree on that, but to sperate this killing from the other 3,000 is wrong.
I think people seem to underestimate the importance of all this, you dont seem to realise what the Provos are doing is seen by an increasingly number of republicans as treachery, and Adams etc are actually taking serious/risky steps for their political strategy to move forward.
Go lí cúnna ifrinn do thóin bheagmhaitheasach
My opinion is that of a person who never lived in the North, even though I visited there about 20 times and made some friends there, some Catholic, some Protestant.
I believe that what happened in Adare can not be justified by any historical context. No matter how much a person supported the right of Catholics to fight against just the system which characterised life in the 6 Counties, the only connection between that fight and the outrage in Adare is the IRA membership of the men who attempted the robbery.
No way do I accept the retro-fitting of the killing of Garda McCabe with some sort of republican respectability. Even the IRA themselves distanced themselves from the affair at the time, as another post above correctly stated.
But I do agree with the four men benefiting from some early release deal, if this is the price to be paid for peace. This is not a moral position. It is strategic on the part of the two governments. All armed conflicts are horrible, really bad things go unpunished, and people on all sides are left knowing that they did not get justice. Anne McCabe is one of those people. It is a bitter, bitter pill to swallow, but she is not alone. Ian Paisley is about to go into a power sharing government with people he says he hates. I hate the thought of early release for the Garda killers, but I accept it, and that is why I vote yes in this poll.
Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere - Martin Luther King Jnr.
Personally, it sickens me to see any murderer, North or South, republican/loyalist, getting any reduction in sentance, and to be given the mask of being some kind of "freedom fighter" or "defender". However, I did vote for the GFA, and was fully aware that this was one consequence of my vote. IF it has been found that releasing this people is part of the GFA, then they must be released, providing of course that these same people fulfill their obligations under the GFA.
On a slightly different note, I feel that Ahern and particularly O'Donoghue should be ashamed of their role in this "episode". O'Donoghue took every opportunity to loudly, and at length, proclaim that these murderers "WOULD NEVER BE RELEASED". IF Ahern and O'Donoghue didn't want them to be released, they could, a long time ago, have told Adams and McGuinness that it was never going to happen and it was off the table, never to be discussed, and they could like it or lump it. Allowing it to be still there as a concession, so long into these talks is a very poor reflection on the FF and PD "negotiators". It's because of all the bellowing from O'Donoghue that it seems so much worse now. Of course anything that Ahern and O'Donoghue said/did is trivial compared to the sickening actions of the IRA, but they must take some of the blame for the outcry now happening.
(btw, this is not me simply having a go at FF, I just feel that Ahern, O'Donoghue and McDowell have handled this issue in a genuinely appalling manner)
yes, in terms of that conflict. I do differentiate very much between these murders and the murders that took place in the 6 counties, because of the nature of this incident. it was cold-blooded murder of someone who got in the way of a robbery that wasn't sanctioned by the IRA itself. would anyone like to explain how that forms part of the conflict? its as good as saying the Omagh bombing was part of the conflict too
Because the money they were stealing was going to fund the IRAs operations. And yes, Omagh was part of the conflict. You just cant disregard those events that happen to be extra bloody as not relevant. Thats absurd.
Eanna, how do you think that the torture and murder of Jean McConville fits in then? All she did was comfort an injured British soldier outside her door. She showed a bit of kindness and was tortured and her body dumped never to be found again.
without going through every case individually, I wastrying to make the point that the conflict was tkaing place in a certain part of this country, and Limerick was not considered (by many people) to be included as a battleground
Whats that got to do with the question being asked in this poll ?
How does the murder of numerous children by British soldiers/state fit in too ?
Theres no point in highlighting individual cases. Im sure if my son or daughter was murdered by state forces id not be happy about the IRA surrendering weapons either.
Go lí cúnna ifrinn do thóin bheagmhaitheasach
I think the biggest reason to oppose any release of these murderers is the way the IRA are blackmailing the irish government & discontinue their "army" until the irish government does what they want. Would such an agreement include the end of all the criminal activities from smuggling to extorsion...? I'd be very surprised...
Not answering for Eoin, but I reckon he's shooting a hole (no pun intended) in the arguement that McCabe's killing was markedly different from many killings (on both "sides") in the North. Well that's my reading anyway...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Never become a general
Maginot Line.... around..... german offense.... spring to mind
Well thats my belief, macy. Those killings werent any different. Murder is murder. The IRA still engages in illegal and criminal activity.
I wonder what is really going on here?
Dortie may be close
Despite what you may think of Adams et al. they are far from stupid. This is not an issue that they want to be debating in public - among other things its bad for their election strategy in the 26 counties. I suspect that the whole peace process is hanging by a thread and I think its going to collapse due to pressure from the extreme of both sides who are not interested in compromise.I think people seem to underestimate the importance of all this, you dont seem to realise what the Provos are doing is seen by an increasingly number of republicans as treachery, and Adams etc are actually taking serious/risky steps for their political strategy to move forward.
Incidentally, I have very little doubt that this wasn't a robbery gone wrong. I think (OK with no evidence to back me up) that the point of the 'operation' was to kill the two gardai.
Should they be released? If its part of the peace process then, however unpalitable, yes.
don't worry, they couldn't hit an elephant at this dis......
It sounds like the DUP and Sinn Fein will come to agreement tonight.
Ian Paisley wants to be able to view pictures of the arms being destroyed which i think in all honesty is a quite legitimate request.
If there isnt agreement there will be another election. In that case i cant see SF doing as well as they did in the last NI election .
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